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Hank195 2nd May 2020 03:29

Maritime helicopters in this class are frequently fitted with an Automatically Deployed Emergency Locator Transmitter (ADELT) which would/could also contain memory modules for the FDR & CVR. This device is visible in pictures of the port side of the CH148 on the tailcone (orange disc).
Very sad news.

loop swing 2nd May 2020 10:42


Originally Posted by Hank195 (Post 10770072)
Maritime helicopters in this class are frequently fitted with an Automatically Deployed Emergency Locator Transmitter (ADELT) which would/could also contain memory modules for the FDR & CVR. This device is visible in pictures of the port side of the CH148 on the tailcone (orange disc).
Very sad news.

Whilst you are correct about the ADELT, they do not carry any memory modules. They are purely a location device.

finalchecksplease 2nd May 2020 11:42


Originally Posted by loop swing (Post 10770380)
Whilst you are correct about the ADELT, they do not carry any memory modules. They are purely a location device.

Don't know of any O&G aircraft having this but there is an option to have those fitted.
See here: HR Smith CPI memory module

loop swing 2nd May 2020 12:05

Thank you. I was unaware of their existence. I've only encountered the position indicator only models.

AAKEE 2nd May 2020 12:40

Deployable VFDR recorder
 

Originally Posted by loop swing (Post 10770380)
Whilst you are correct about the ADELT, they do not carry any memory modules. They are purely a location device.

While the correct term may not be ADELT there is debloyable devices containing the CVR and FDR data. Quite common for aircrafts operating over sea.
I dont know the term used for this on the CH-148 though...

This one is used on the A/C I fly:
Recorder Beacon Airfoil

YeahYeah 2nd May 2020 22:45

Now reported that it was inbound to the frigate, only two miles out. No doubt there will be eyewitnesses

jimf671 5th May 2020 23:46

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cyc...cton-1.5555308

malabo 6th May 2020 02:52

Crashed at 6:52 local, sunset at 8:30, 2 miles back from the frigate with everyone watching them coming in. CFIT would be a puzzler.

gulliBell 6th May 2020 11:18

The water is reported 3,000 meters deep. Blackhawk 221 was recovered from the same depth, challenging but it can be done.

212man 6th May 2020 11:51


Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 10774231)
The water is reported 3,000 meters deep. Blackhawk 221 was recovered from the same depth, challenging but it can be done.

Without wishing to start a thread drift - have you read the BOI report on that accident? Sobering reading!

OttoRotate 6th May 2020 19:25


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 10774266)
Without wishing to start a thread drift - have you read the BOI report on that accident? Sobering reading!

I'd be very interested in that, if you can share a link

twinstar_ca 6th May 2020 19:43

me too....

212man 6th May 2020 19:50


Originally Posted by OttoRotate (Post 10774634)
I'd be very interested in that, if you can share a link

https://www.defence.gov.au/Publicati...boi_report.pdf

[email protected] 6th May 2020 20:59


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 10774657)

Dear oh dear, that was a catalogue of problems waiting to bite someone - and sadly it did. Not the first time a Special Forces Sqn thought they were more 'special' than they were in reality.

Seems unlikely that the sad loss in the Med has a similar cause.

212man 7th May 2020 16:17


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10774714)
Dear oh dear, that was a catalogue of problems waiting to bite someone - and sadly it did. Not the first time a Special Forces Sqn thought they were more 'special' than they were in reality.

Seems unlikely that the sad loss in the Med has a similar cause.

I agree and wasn't suggesting that - simply responding to the reference to the incident

swampqueen 8th May 2020 05:32

FBW
 
Could the fly by wire systems be called into question?

[email protected] 8th May 2020 11:46


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 10775540)
I agree and wasn't suggesting that - simply responding to the reference to the incident

212 man yes :ok:

GrayHorizonsHeli 8th May 2020 12:21

anyone wonder if some airmanship shenanigans led to this tragedy?
like requesting to buzz the deck or scud run low level over the water or anything like that?

I only offer this suggestion because their doesn't seem to be transparency from the get go from the military.

Although I like Norman, his captain obvious assertion that it was one of two things, pilot error, or maintenance related was so basic, I think my dog could pick one or the other if a treat was offered.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mark...rash-1.4922760

212man 8th May 2020 15:32


Originally Posted by swampqueen (Post 10775971)
Could the fly by wire systems be called into question?

I would say everything is on the table until evidence starts to narrow it down - such as whatever is recorded on the CPI. I'm not sure why you would single out FBW? It may not be present in civilian helicopters but it has been in the NH90 which first flew in 1995, and was in the Comanche which first flew in 1996, so is not new technology for Rotary Wing. The latter built by Boeing and Sikorsky - the former with FW FBW experience (at that time B777) and the latter no doubt using the Comanche experience to inform some of the design of the Cyclone system.

Old Dogs 9th May 2020 00:41


Originally Posted by GrayHorizonsHeli (Post 10776278)
Although I like Norman, his captain obvious assertion that it was one of two things, pilot error, or maintenance related was so basic, I think my dog could pick one or the other if a treat was offered.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mark...rash-1.4922760

I like Mark Norman too, but that article is utter gibberish spoken by someone who knows little about helicopters.


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