Originally Posted by helicrazi
(Post 10812599)
The bit between 'but' and 'so'
What should go between 'but' and 'so'. Enlighten us. |
Originally Posted by helicrazi
(Post 10812599)
The bit between 'but' and 'so'
Please clarify the bit between ’ but’ and ‘so’ maybe a bit too much 2016 Pouilly Fuisse and perhaps missed something? |
Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme
(Post 10812738)
Helicrazi,
Please clarify the bit between ’ but’ and ‘so’ maybe a bit too much 2016 Pouilly Fuisse and perhaps missed something? So...you indicated that the problem with my original statement was the bit between 'but' and 'so'. To be clear that would be 'NHV couldn't start on time'. So...I indicated that, for the mutual edification of all involved, you might like to correct / juxtapose your version of events so that we might be enlightened. BTW, I much prefer the Pouilly Fume: the Sauvignon Blanc grape holding a much higher plane in my affections. ABC, darling, ABC ;). |
To helicrazi,
Did NHV have N3s available for the original start date? |
Originally Posted by Bravo73
(Post 10812825)
To helicrazi,
Did NHV have N3s available for the original start date? |
Originally Posted by helicrazi
(Post 10813020)
Havent they had N3's available since being founded in 1997? Doesnt sound like N3 availability was the issue. Was the original contract for N3s or 169s?
So...I don't know. I thought 169 and there was a two fold issue: 1. Getting 169 into service took / was going to take longer than the time available to start on day one and 2. There was a sub-D dispensation issue for a few of the facilities that don't have a 'D' value to accommodate the 169. |
Back on topic,
Awful rumours from the Babcock camp regarding this TUPE, fingers crossed to all involved |
Originally Posted by helicrazi
(Post 10813020)
Doesnt sound like N3 availability was the issue. Was the original contract for N3s or 169s?
It really is a good thing that this is just a rumour network. |
Originally Posted by Bravo73
(Post 10813141)
Ah, so after claiming that you knew the actual reason for NHV not starting on time, it turns out that you didn’t actually know.
It really is a good thing that this is just a rumour network. |
Originally Posted by helicrazi
(Post 10813107)
Back on topic,
Awful rumours from the Babcock camp regarding this TUPE, fingers crossed to all involved However, Bond managed to avoid TUPE when they took the contract from CHC and that was on the re-tooling technicality of a change in aircraft model. The 169 [obviously] is a whole new Type. |
Rumour has it the TUPE'd Bristow folks look to be safe but unfortunately it appears Babcock, either by error or arrogance didn't expect to have to take them on and its thrown their wage-bill out by quite a margin.
A way of filling the the gap is in motion and will impact the existing Babcock pilots who are on a lesser salary than their TUPE'd colleagues. |
Babcock redundancies.
Originally Posted by WBOne
(Post 10831496)
Rumour has it the TUPE'd Bristow folks look to be safe but unfortunately it appears Babcock, either by error or arrogance didn't expect to have to take them on and its thrown their wage-bill out by quite a margin.
A way of filling the the gap is in motion and will impact the existing Babcock pilots who are on a lesser salary than their TUPE'd colleagues. |
Originally Posted by WBOne
(Post 10831496)
Rumour has it the TUPE'd Bristow folks look to be safe.
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Originally Posted by Apate
(Post 10832112)
Nope. The ex-Bristow employees will be in the same pool as all the existing Babcock pilots and are therefore just as likely to find themselves being made redundant by Babcock . In fact, depending on how the selection is made, they might find themselves more likely to be made redundant??
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Ah. I wonder how the matrix will be written this time...
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Originally Posted by Apate
(Post 10832112)
Nope. The ex-Bristow employees will be in the same pool as all the existing Babcock pilots and are therefore just as likely to find themselves being made redundant by Babcock . In fact, depending on how the selection is made, they might find themselves more likely to be made redundant??
Oh, I love the way there are so many legal experts here. Why did you all become pilots rather than lawyers. Wasn't it this same legal arrogance that got Babcock management into this mess in the first place. Refusing to listen to their lawyers and deciding that they knew better? TUPE rules aren't always the clearest, but they are law. You can't just pick and choose. The former Bristow pilots and the Babcock pilots are now effectively one group. Maybe get the managers at Babcock to speak to the lawyers and filter that information down to whoever keeps putting out these dopey comments |
Originally Posted by WBOne
(Post 10831496)
Rumour has it the TUPE'd Bristow folks look to be safe but unfortunately it appears Babcock, either by error or arrogance didn't expect to have to take them on and its thrown their wage-bill out by quite a margin.
A way of filling the the gap is in motion and will impact the existing Babcock pilots who are on a lesser salary than their TUPE'd colleagues. |
Originally Posted by SpindleBob
(Post 10832367)
Oh, I love the way there are so many legal experts here. Why did you all become pilots rather than lawyers. Wasn't it this same legal arrogance that got Babcock management into this mess in the first place. Refusing to listen to their lawyers and deciding that they knew better?
TUPE rules aren't always the clearest, but they are law. You can't just pick and choose. The former Bristow pilots and the Babcock pilots are now effectively one group. Maybe get the managers at Babcock to speak to the lawyers and filter that information down to whoever keeps putting out these dopey comments |
Originally Posted by PPI Zulu
(Post 10832420)
Which bit are you highlighting as particularly 'dopey'?
https://www.acas.org.uk/manage-staff...for-redundancy However some will be difficult to establish for an employee that has effectively no internal records on such things as performance and attendance. Could this then disadvantage the ex-BHL pilots in some way?? |
Originally Posted by SpindleBob
(Post 10832367)
Wasn't it this same legal arrogance that got Babcock management into this mess in the first place. Refusing to listen to their lawyers and deciding that they knew better?
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