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Helibabe1 10th Jan 2020 17:31

There’s two sides to consider with this story guys.. it’s not all it seems

JTobias is a personal helicopter pilot friend of mine and anybody who knows him, knows how utterly professional he is in the air and most pilots will never obtain the experience he already has. The articles do not portray the knowledgeable, skillful, generous and charitable man we all know. His personal success is unrelated and nobody’s business but he is undisputably professional there too and any suggestion otherwise is ludicrous.

His silence is merely because of the regulatory procedure pending as I am sure you can appreciate, that is his main priority and concern.

The case covers what was a 15-20 sec agitated incident with a controller which we’ve all had at one time or another, and by no means describes the professionalism he exhibits normally. He has had no problem whatsoever apologising and admitting what he did was out of character and wrong, but it happened. End of.

However, you should also understand that there was an unreported and significant run up to the ‘rant’ being sensationalised in the press, which inevitably lead to the nature of the call. There was absolutely no confliction with other aircraft either.. Blackpool isn’t exactly Gatwick!

The controller stated she was ‘shaken up’ which, if accurate, leads me to think that Blackpool is where her ATC career stops, and maybe the real world of ATC may be too stressful for her to cope with. She should try a bird-strike in a helicopter!

This is nothing more than a ‘speeding ticket and a ticking off’ by a copper in the air.. and if you saw the size of the infringement in inches you’d be shocked! But that doesn’t sell papers…!

malabo 10th Jan 2020 18:01

Many of us are professional pilots with someone else footing the bill. When it comes out of your own pocket you look at things differently. Was on an IFR checkride in a 206 and asked the pilot what speed he was going to fly the ILS, “why, Vne of course” he replied, “unless you want to pitch in for the rental”. All of us share JTobias sentiment to avoid unnecessary costs from oblivious ATC.

Hedski 10th Jan 2020 18:19


Originally Posted by chopjock (Post 10659278)
You do know you don't always need permission to enter an ATZ right?

Rule 11 not apply to ATZ entry?

Nige321 10th Jan 2020 18:49


Originally Posted by 315B (Post 10659279)
Thread is starting to deviate into suggestions the pilot may be inclined to fly under the influence are absurd.
Perhaps the thread starter has an axe to grind with the gentleman involved.. seems that way.

Err... No. Really...? :yuk:
It's a story of interest to this forum I thought, it popped up in my news feed.
Please cite where I've made 'suggestions the pilot may be inclined to fly under the influence'...

Nige321 10th Jan 2020 18:53


Originally Posted by Helibabe1 (Post 10659309)
There’s two sides to consider with this story guys.. it’s not all it seems

JTobias is a personal helicopter pilot friend of mine and anybody who knows him, knows how utterly professional he is in the air and most pilots will never obtain the experience he already has. The articles do not portray the knowledgeable, skillful, generous and charitable man we all know. His personal success is unrelated and nobody’s business but he is undisputably professional there too and any suggestion otherwise is ludicrous.

His silence is merely because of the regulatory procedure pending as I am sure you can appreciate, that is his main priority and concern.

The case covers what was a 15-20 sec agitated incident with a controller which we’ve all had at one time or another, and by no means describes the professionalism he exhibits normally. He has had no problem whatsoever apologising and admitting what he did was out of character and wrong, but it happened. End of.

However, you should also understand that there was an unreported and significant run up to the ‘rant’ being sensationalised in the press, which inevitably lead to the nature of the call. There was absolutely no confliction with other aircraft either.. Blackpool isn’t exactly Gatwick!

The controller stated she was ‘shaken up’ which, if accurate, leads me to think that Blackpool is where her ATC career stops, and maybe the real world of ATC may be too stressful for her to cope with. She should try a bird-strike in a helicopter!

This is nothing more than a ‘speeding ticket and a ticking off’ by a copper in the air.. and if you saw the size of the infringement in inches you’d be shocked! But that doesn’t sell papers…!

Good evening Mrs Tobias...! :ok::}:D

Helibabe1 10th Jan 2020 19:06

Haha I wish! But nice try.. :=

Helibabe1 10th Jan 2020 19:14


Originally Posted by newaviator
From what I can vaguely remember ,- if I have my date or rough estimate correct as I had the airband radio on at work , the lady in ATC was working hard to assist a student pilot who was lost and disorientated and being shepherded back to Blackpool by another light aircraft from the north prior to entering the ATZ , workload was high , the student was under stress and a possibly a contributing factor . No need for anyone to rant on the radio at ATC. Shutdown and talk properly post event. To make a comment over the air about the helicopter operating cost is not required under the circumstances ....its an expensive form of transport - no need to be whining about it , sounds like a knee jerk comment at the time in the heat of the moment.

You remember a random ATC call from back in July 2019.. wow. Your facts are incorrect Sir

Okihara 10th Jan 2020 19:15

Why does it matter for us know that the ATC controller was a woman?

chopjock 10th Jan 2020 19:35


Originally Posted by Hedski (Post 10659352)
Rule 11 not apply to ATZ entry?


(3) If the aerodrome has an air traffic control unit the commander must obtain the permission of that unit to enable the flight to be conducted safely within the aerodrome traffic zone.
There are more ATZs that do not have ATC than do have ATC...

212man 10th Jan 2020 20:17


The case covers what was a 15-20 sec agitated incident with a controller which we’ve all had at one time or another,
no, not in over 11,000 hours on 4 continents have I lost control on the radio. I may have sworn a bit with the PTT button not pressed in between calls a few times!

jeepys 10th Jan 2020 20:20

Helibabe 1,

This is nothing more than a ‘speeding ticket and a ticking off’ by a copper in the air.. and if you saw the size of the infringement in inches you’d be shocked! But that doesn’t sell papers…!

If the infringement was that small and perhaps insignificant to you then surely it shouldn’t have been a big deal and big cost (£20) to go around it?

I have spent a fair bit of time in the air myself and experienced good, bad and maybe the ugly controllers but if I had spoken to a controller like that I would have to have a word with myself.

Helicopters don’t have a great name in this industry as it is and we don’t need bad press such as this.

Helibabe1 10th Jan 2020 20:38


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 10659447)
no, not in over 11,000 hours on 4 continents have I lost control on the radio. I may have sworn a bit with the PTT button not pressed in between calls a few times!

Have you heard the recording? I have. There was no loss of control, no swearing, no obscenities, raised voices etc. Give yourself a badge and dont believe everything you read

jeepys 10th Jan 2020 20:43

So is the reported conversation not accurate?

jeepys 10th Jan 2020 20:51

Helibabe,

can you answer my questions please? Surely your job is to answer my questions first before replying to somebody else. I am sitting here charging the client £600 p/h waiting for your response.
What’s your name, this really isn’t good enough.

jumpseater 10th Jan 2020 21:07


Originally Posted by Helibabe1 (Post 10659470)
Have you heard the recording? I have. There was no loss of control, no swearing, no obscenities, raised voices etc. Give yourself a badge and dont believe everything you read

How have you heard the recording? The ‘tapes’ would have been impounded once the event had gone ‘official’ the controller wouldn’t have access to them, and only the investigation team would prior to the prosecution. The pilot pleaded guilty by letter so he didn’t attend any court to hear any evidence that may have been played there.

So so how did you hear the recording?

Helibabe1 10th Jan 2020 21:56


Originally Posted by jeepys (Post 10659452)
Helibabe 1,

This is nothing more than a ‘speeding ticket and a ticking off’ by a copper in the air.. and if you saw the size of the infringement in inches you’d be shocked! But that doesn’t sell papers…!

If the infringement was that small and perhaps insignificant to you then surely it shouldn’t have been a big deal and big cost (£20) to go around it?

I have spent a fair bit of time in the air myself and experienced good, bad and maybe the ugly controllers but if I had spoken to a controller like that I would have to have a word with myself.

Helicopters don’t have a great name in this industry as it is and we don’t need bad press such as this.

Trust me, cost has nothing to do with it. The reference to money was an attempt to put the time waiting in a helicopter into prospective as opposed to waiting in a fixed wing aircraft, nothing else. I'm not sure why helicopters have bad name?
Really, there is no news here other than a slap on the wrists for stepping out of line - which is undisputed and fully admitted. There is however, another issue relating to the way the CAA has handled many minor infringements this year at local airfields, and in a lot of peoples opinion, it is unnecessary to take it to this extreme and a little heavy handed, but this is not my battle so I will just sow the seed and leave it here. Pretty sure JTobias will be back very soon.

Helibabe1 10th Jan 2020 22:35


Originally Posted by jumpseater (Post 10659498)
How have you heard the recording? The ‘tapes’ would have been impounded once the event had gone ‘official’ the controller wouldn’t have access to them, and only the investigation team would prior to the prosecution. The pilot pleaded guilty by letter so he didn’t attend any court to hear any evidence that may have been played there.

So so how did you hear the recording?

Correct! Lived every day of it by his side, as have a lot of others. I cannot comment specifically and so I wont be.

NumptyAussie 10th Jan 2020 23:39


Originally Posted by Helibabe1 (Post 10659562)
Correct! Lived every day of it by his side, as have a lot of others. I cannot comment specifically and so I wont be.

Huh? I don't quite understand what you mean?

visibility3miles 11th Jan 2020 01:46

315B

Thread is starting to deviate into... [the] absurd.
My comment on the champagne and helicopter was meant as humor, not to imply he actually drank before flying.

Clearly it is a "Look at me!" photo intended to show off his hobbies and achievements.

Bksmithca 11th Jan 2020 02:10


Originally Posted by NumptyAussie (Post 10659593)
Huh? I don't quite understand what you mean?

NumptyAussie
Not being a helicopter pilot I think she means she was in the other seat at the time of the incident.

BK


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