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172510 23rd Dec 2019 20:11

IR(H) on Agusta 109
 
Where in Europe can I get a dual training TR + IR(H) on an Agusta 109
What school could do a distance learning bridge course ATPL(A) to ATPL(H) with IR?

GoodGrief 23rd Dec 2019 20:44

Castle Air, Gloucester.

Northernstar 23rd Dec 2019 23:46

Bristol Groundschool for the bridging exams. Then IR in 109 could be done at Sloane Northamptonshire afterwards. Or Castle but aircraft availability has been an issue. Starspeed can also provide 109 IR.

Ovc000 24th Dec 2019 08:47

Bristol for Groundschool and Helicopter Services in White Waltham for the 109 TR+IR.

rudestuff 24th Dec 2019 08:52

Are you sure you're converting in the right direction?!

ersa 24th Dec 2019 22:11


Originally Posted by rudestuff (Post 10646719)
Are you sure you're converting in the right direction?!

I was thinking the same, why the hell would you spend over 70-80 thousand quid , when the airlines are screaming for pilots

What gives ?

Dick Smith 25th Dec 2019 02:12

Is it a fact that in the USA no specific endorsement is required for A109? as far as the FAA is concerned ? Learn to fly in an R22 and you can fly the 109?
Surely not!

Non-PC Plod 25th Dec 2019 09:51

Yes, below a particular weight - cant remember - is it 10,000lb? There is no type rating required.

Non-PC Plod 25th Dec 2019 09:52

Of course - you may find insurance is a problem unless you have done some type training....

aa777888 25th Dec 2019 11:02


Originally Posted by Dick Smith (Post 10647153)
Is it a fact that in the USA no specific endorsement is required for A109? as far as the FAA is concerned ? Learn to fly in an R22 and you can fly the 109?
Surely not!

Yes, that is correct. Anything you want under 12,500 lbs with no type rating. No multi-engine rating for helicopters either. You can go directly from a 22 to anything you want. Absolutely no violation of FAA regulations. But you would be uninsurable, of course.

In all US of aviation, FAA regulations reflect only the minimum requirements. The insurance industry effectively takes over after that and they slather a rather thick layer of virtual reg's on top. Want to hire pilots for your tiny little R44 tour operation? The insurer says they have to have 500 hours minimum, not the FAA.

If you choose not to insure, or self-insure, you have a wonderful degree of freedom, at the risk of being sued into oblivion. This is a fine example of how almost pure capitalism works, by the way. If the FAA got out of the pilot certification business and left that to industry as well it would be completely pure.

Paul Cantrell 26th Dec 2019 23:43


Originally Posted by Dick Smith (Post 10647153)
Is it a fact that in the USA no specific endorsement is required for A109? as far as the FAA is concerned ? Learn to fly in an R22 and you can fly the 109?
Surely not!

Dick,

As aa777888 says, unless the aircraft requires a type rating ( weight above 12,500 lbs ) one license covers them all, single or twin. So yeah, in theory take your private exam in an R22 and then hop into a S76 that afternoon.

One aircraft I fly is owned by someone wealthy enough to self insure, but liability insurance is a different story. He can afford to lose the hull ( and has saved enough money to buy a couple hulls over the years) but being as wealthy as he is makes him a target for lawsuits, so liability insurance is pretty much required. You probably would need to be a billionaire to not need liability insurance. Rich enough to exhaust anyone's ability to sue you... I'm guessing that part is true in OZ as well?

In any case, the insurance company is very strict - the only place authorized for recurrent training is at the factory, and they have a minimum of 1,000 hours to be pic... Some other minimums I can't remember at the moment. So, as aa777888 says, pretty much regulated by the insurers unless you are a complete idiot.


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