Single engine IFR certified helicopter
https://helihub.com/2019/08/08/genes...certification/
Is it really IFR certified? Certified by whom? |
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The title "first" is a bit inaccurate. It's the only CURRENT offering, but there have certainly been other singles that have met IFR requirements. How quickly we forget. https://www.rotorandwing.com/2015/06...ne-ifr-helo-2/ Forty years ago, Vought Aircraft and Sperry collaborated to produce the SA-341 IFR Gazelle. This first IFR-certified single-engine helicopter was a breakthrough. http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/fsb/bell407fsb.pdf And from our own PPRuNe: https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/37...r-capable.html Misleading thread title edited Senior Pilot |
Mike....that was a Johnny Come Lately as well.
Go back further and you will see there ws a piston engine IFR helicopter that set many records and gained IFR Certification. The Cessna CH-1 Skyhook was certified for IFR flight by the FAA |
Originally Posted by SASless
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Mike....that was a Johnny Come Lately as well.
Go back further and you will see there ws a piston engine IFR helicopter that set many records and gained IFR Certification. The Cessna CH-1 Skyhook was certified for IFR flight by the FAA |
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And of course the one off STC only for serial # 1005 . I wonder if this AS350-D is still flying
see also SH284WE SH4099SW SH4669SW SH8780SW-D AND sr08244RC ( Slow day at the office ) |
Originally Posted by helops
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https://helihub.com/2019/08/08/genes...certification/
Is it really IFR certified? Certified by whom? The TH-119 is the only single-engine helicopter in decades to meet current IFR requirements, ... ;-) Thracian Misleading thread title edited Senior Pilot |
Ok sorry, my mistake. It's not the first, I know. It's the only IFR single available today.
Well this is a great revolution I guess, hope other models like H125 and Bell 407 will follow this route.. |
We were flying IFR B206 back in 2008, probably plenty of others doing the same.
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I think they mean certified as standard by the manufacturer Charles
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Originally Posted by Autonomous Collectiv
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I think they mean certified as standard by the manufacturer Charles
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Bell 407GXi has achieved IFR certification per verticalmag.com.
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IR single engine training - europe
Does anyone know a place in europe where you can do single engine IR training?
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Last one I heard of was in Billund
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Vantage Aviation at Old Sarum offer SE IR Courses on the B206L. Sim portion of the training is done at Starspeed Training Kemble.
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Originally Posted by Taranto Knight
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Vantage Aviation at Old Sarum offer SE IR Courses on the B206L. Sim portion of the training is done at Starspeed Training Kemble.
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Originally Posted by flyingnomad
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the 206 was certified IFR by the manufacturer. I flew an L3 that was IFR configured and certified. Air Methods operated them for years. These days if they still have the IFR kit, they get bought up and stripped out and the weight savings is probably 80 lbs or more. |
Any news about Single Engine IFR so far?
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Originally Posted by helops
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Any news about Single Engine IFR so far?
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Originally Posted by KqQNr
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Bell 407GXi has achieved IFR certification per verticalmag.com.
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Terrifying to think that in Germany in the 80's and 90's within specified airspace you could fly a military Gazelle single pilot, single engine IFR, with one VHF radio, a non-Mode C transponder and a very dodgy "Tactical Navigation Aid" with a CEP of 2 continents.
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Yes. But you didn't have to worry about thinking yourself around a hold, followed by a procedural precision or non-precision approach, followed by a go-around of the sort Coventry applied...
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Yes. But you didn't have to worry about thinking yourself around a hold, followed by a procedural precision or non-precision approach, followed by a go-around of the sort Coventry applied... Far less equipment malfunctions to deal with as well....sometimes there is a good thing about simplicity. Look on the bright side! |
Oh, the days of a flameout TACAN, followed by a limited-panel SRA...
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
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Oh, the days of a flameout TACAN, followed by a limited-panel SRA...
In ma day we all we 'a were a piece of string and a stick! |
What Ho, Spiffy.....how nice of the upper level staff being so considerate to lessen your workload and tasks to be completed on every Check Flight. Far less equipment malfunctions to deal with as well....sometimes there is a good thing about simplicity. Look on the bright side! |
Yes it has but only the 119 achieved IFR cert without any exemptions. I believe the 407 had to apply for two exemptions to get the IFR certification. The Koala complied with all requirements of the certification. what problems with the 407 IFR certification? Anybody? |
I believe one had to do with the 407 having only one hydraulic system. Bell had to demonstrate that the 407 was controllable and able to fly IFR with the hydraulics failed. No expert but I do not believe that the autopilot could handle the flight controls without hydraulics but I sure could be wrong. I have been tempted to see if the Helisas (VFR only autopilot) in the 407 I fly could handle the non-hydraulics loads however I don't want to break anything. The A119 has two systems. I can't recall what the second exemption was at the moment. I'll see if I can find it.
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The second was relief from HIRF (High Intensity Radiated Field). Credit to the article I located which is what I had previously read as to how they were certified. Won't let me post a link but complete credit to and very good article in ROTOR 2020 Winter edition publication. Google it.
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Doesn't a IFR heli require both an autopilot and Stability Augmentation?...at least in the US. Sounds expensive
Note I am not a helicopter pilot |
Pug, there are good autopilots for B206 that cost around $30k, and glass cockpits for $15k, making the B206 an economical IFR machine.
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Actually, that's not that bad knowing that everything in aviation cost a least 10Gs.
thank you Ascend Charlie... unfortunately for me I will probably not be able to take my helicopter lesson by my birthday because of the virus. Damnit! |
It would be interesting to find out if Airbus Helicopters would like to certify for IFR operations their H125 and H130. If even Bell certified the 407, anybody can do it, even Robinson Helicopters and Marenco/Kopter to follow.
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