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NYC helicopter crash 10th June 2019
Twitter buzzing with reports of a helicopter crashing into a high rise building in NYC...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/10/heli...manhattan.html |
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NYC Crash....
News of a helicopter having a hard landing and subsequent fire on top of a high rise building being reported. https://www.foxnews.com/us/helicopte...-officials-say |
Originally Posted by timmcat
(Post 10490654)
Twitter buzzing with reports of a helicopter crashing into a high rise building in NYC...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/10/heli...manhattan.html Hope all are okay. |
More news here, apparently one dead, accident happened on a 54 story building on 7th Ave, Midtown, Manhattan. Looks a bit more than hard landing judging by the smoke at the top of the building.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Manhattan.html |
One of the 'talking heads' on CNN said they don't use rooftop helipads any more in NYC, so one assumes some tech reason for putting it down there.
One fatal reported. |
Scud runner, hit the building south of Central Park.
KLGA now calling 1/2SM RA FG OVC005 17/16 Top of building are in clouds. |
Only one person was aboard the aircraft when it crashed on the roof of 787 Seventh Avenue at 51st Street at 1:43 p.m, city officials said. That person was reported to have been killed, according to a senior city official. A police official characterized the incident as a “hard landing.’’ |
i heard that other helicopters werent flying because of the weather.
Cant wait to hear more about this and glad there werent many more casualties. RIP to the pilot and condolences to his family |
This is claimed to be footage of the "helicopter flying erratically before the crash"
Edit: It's on twitter: For a repost of it by a journalist on twitter search "@MatthewKeysLive" as I can't post a link |
CBS reporting A109E
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That appears to show what might be a recovery from loss of control in cloud. If so, why it went back into cloud again is inexplicable.
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Agusta 109, N200BK. Based at Linden/KLDJ.
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Photos from the rooftop of 787 7th Avenue
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....85a604022d.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ad10f1732f.jpg |
Shy wins the "First to determine the cause of an accident" prize.
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Then again, I might be last.
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The Instagram account thingswendysees posted (and apparently shot) the previous linked video showing an aircraft diving. There is also a second video showing a similar aircraft at low level, perhaps having just taken off and climbing into wind and cloud. I can’t determine the order in which the videos were shot. The videos were posted at about the time the aircraft crashed at approx 13.43hrs Mjb |
I was also sent an (unverified) track log showing a departure from E34th and maneuvers that would coincide with one of the videos posted. The log terminates possibly for lack of ADSB or MLAT coverage, but isn't the accident location.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d80758e099.png |
It wouldn't make sense to climb back up into IMC after a successful recovery from inadvertent IMC, particularly as it shouldn't have been difficult to remain clear of cloud and return to the point of departure. Maybe a technical malfunction with the aircraft resulting in compromised control authority? Even that one is hard to contemplate if there was no radio call to broadcast that fact. Pilot incapacitation is another possibility. Not much left of it to work out what might have gone wrong.
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After an early review of evidence, investigators believe that the pilot had been stuck on the ground at the 34th Street heliport along the East River because of poor weather, but saw an opening and headed for his base in New Jersey by traveling south along the river, according to a senior city official who was briefed on the preliminary findings but not authorized to discuss them publicly. At the time, the cloud ceiling was about 700 feet. Shortly after taking off, however, the pilot changed course, apparently intending to go back to the heliport. Instead, the helicopter rose into the clouds and flew at high speed into the roof of the Midtown building. The height of the roof was roughly the same as the cloud ceiling. The pilot was not qualified to fly using only instruments, the official said, cautioning that the investigation was still at an early stage. There apparently were no radio communications between the pilot and any air traffic control towers in the vicinity, the official said... The accident happened only 11 minutes after the helicopter took off from the heliport. The helicopter’s home base was an airport in Linden, N.J., where Paul Dudley, the airport manager, identified the pilot as Tim McCormack. He said Mr. McCormack worked for American Continental Properties, a real estate concern that said he had flown for the company for five years. |
On ABC news they're saying the pilot was having some kind of problem and chose to set it down on top of the building to save lives on the ground, and people are calling him a hero and the greatest pilot ever!
Other reports talk about VFR into IMC and he simply crashed into the building because he was too low scuddrunning. Never seen so much speculation so quickly before! |
The webtrack and the two instagram videos suggest three seperate, controlled climbs into cloudbase Mjb |
Trying to stay legal instead of trying to stay alive?
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Awful news. I don’t know a lot about a109’s but is this type usually fitted with an autopilot? |
Looking at Webtrak, there is another erratic flight path in the same area for a couple of minutes before the one MikeNYC has kindly posted. At one point airspeed is shown with a minus figure. I wonder if the video was taken between the two segments?
Sorry, can't post a screen grab of it. |
Why the first thing that comes to my mind is this?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5422f5d7ed915d1374000581/3-2014_G-CRST.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_sfr44-DiAhXOblAKHX1EBiEQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0w5eWcav7SRYClHoq8O RVB Agusta A109E, G-CRST Near Vauxhall Bridge, Central London on 16 January 2013 |
Originally Posted by treadigraph
(Post 10490948)
Looking at Webtrak, there is another erratic flight path in the same area for a couple of minutes before the one MikeNYC has kindly posted. At one point airspeed is shown with a minus figure. I wonder if the video was taken between the two segments?
Sorry, can't post a screen grab of it. Mjb |
Sorry, missed a whole bunch of posts there. Should have had my morning coffee first.
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Additional information, pictures and most of the previously posted videos all here in one news report.
As mentioned by others I am at a loss as to why he flew back into the cloud having only just got out of it once, surely having seen the river the option would have been to head back to to the helicopter pad, or had he lost all sense of orientation at this point? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Manhattan.html |
Perhaps the pilot was suffering from a sudden medical problem (e.g. stroke, etc.)? Because his actions certainly make no sense, and the helicopter appeared to be flying OK (leaving aside the dive out of the cloud which, guessing, was pilot induced). Scud running over the water to get where he was going would probably have worked just fine. But to launch over the city, through the TFR, etc?
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Originally Posted by aa777888
(Post 10491459)
Scud running over the water to get where he was going would probably have worked just fine. But to launch over the city, through the TFR, etc?
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American Drive By Media at its best!
Please read the Weather Minima that CBS thinks is required for VFR......and remember New York is supposed to be the home of the best news reporting in the United States. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/helicop...7d0qb3gn6OnaMI The rules require at least 3 miles of visibility and that the sky is clear of clouds for daytime flights. |
I don't believe for a second there was any intention to land on that elevated roof top, whatever the deceased pilot's brother suggests in that CBS report. It's either arrived there because it was out of control, or the pilot didn't know it was there and flew in to it under control.
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FAA reports he had no Instrument rating. Looks like he pushed his boundaries one too many times. |
Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme
(Post 10491178)
Additional information, pictures and most of the previously posted videos all here in one news report.
As mentioned by others I am at a loss as to why he flew back into the cloud having only just got out of it once, surely having seen the river the option would have been to head back to to the helicopter pad, or had he lost all sense of orientation at this point? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Manhattan.html They can’t be bothered researching the exact time of crash so generalise it happed just before 2pm. ect ect mjb |
Originally Posted by gulliBell
(Post 10491707)
I don't believe for a second there was any intention to land on that elevated roof top, whatever the deceased pilot's brother suggests in that CBS report. It's either arrived there because it was out of control, or the pilot didn't know it was there and flew in to it under control.
Weather may have changed from the accident time but roof top photos show top of the building clearly in the clouds. I'd be surprised if he could see the top of the building until the very last instance. |
Very strange as he was definitely Vfr after his dive and 700 ft is not exactly scud running ... must be more to it . |
I'd like to know what the weather at intended destination was reported when contemplating departing his safely parked position whilst waiting for the weather to improve.
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
(Post 10492085)
I'd like to know what the weather at intended destination was reported when contemplating departing his safely parked position whilst waiting for the weather to improve.
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