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ArnoldS92 14th Jun 2019 23:39

Why did they winch at all, looked like plenty of suitable areas to land. Have not read full thread came in at the end, if answered already I apologise.

nomorehelosforme 27th Nov 2019 11:24

Now she sues for $2million

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-incident.html

[email protected] 27th Nov 2019 17:01

This could be interesting since the Phoenix PD organised a media event straight after the incident where the crew stated that she was uninjured by the spin..........

GrayHorizonsHeli 27th Nov 2019 18:41

Phoenix PD should just pay up and shut up.
they wont win any popularity contests on this one

Unregistered_ 27th Nov 2019 21:52


Originally Posted by GrayHorizonsHeli (Post 10627863)
Phoenix PD should just pay up and shut up.
they wont win any popularity contests on this one

Absolutely.
I've just watched that again. OMG, how did she even survive that?
There was a couple of opportunities to end that spin, lowering to the ground / bushes slowly, that that weren't taken.
That video will be used for the next 20 years as a crew demonstration of what happens when there's no tag line attached.

Was there initially a tag line? If so what happed to it?

John Eacott 28th Nov 2019 02:17


Originally Posted by Unregistered_ (Post 10627971)
Was there initially a tag line? If so what happed to it?

There appears to be the remains of a tagline at the head of the stretcher?

roscoe1 28th Nov 2019 04:17

One thing I learned from listening to law enforcement people over 4 years of taking care of their helicopter and listening to stories of dealing with the public was their almost universal disdain when people lie to them. I'm not calling this a fault, it is completely understandable. If you watched their press conference after this you would have seen a serious song and dance, not to mention hugs all around, I assume when they thought the camera was off. This was one they should have gotten in front of and taken responsibility for. I hope that rather than dancing harder and faster they stop by the local donut shop for some humble pie. I'm sure internally they have a very good idea of how/why this happened and by now how it should have been avoided. If you want to dance, sometime you have to pay the piper.

[email protected] 28th Nov 2019 06:26

Unregistered - in order for the tag line (we call it a hi-line) to be effective, it needs to either be attached to one end of the stretcher or attached to the aircraft hook and then routed through the end of the stretcher.

The other important factor is that the person on the ground has to know how to use the line to prevent a spin.

There was one attached initially but in the middle of the stretcher so it would be very ineffective in preventing, let alone controlling, the spin.

As I have said before - everyone thinks winching looks soooo easy - right up until it goes wrong because you weren't trained properly or didn't practice the skills.

You can see the crew chief doesn't have a scooby about what to do - he sticks his foot out to try and stop the stretcher spinning FFS.

The crew should have been very ashamed of that press conference.

[email protected] 28th Nov 2019 06:29

PS - scooby = scooby-doo - clue:ok:

212man 28th Nov 2019 07:24


....was their almost universal disdain when people lie to them. I'm not calling this a fault, it is completely understandable
Well, I'm pretty sure you don't have to be in Law Enforcement for this to apply - I'm not a big fan of it myself!

roscoe1 28th Nov 2019 14:41


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 10628148)
Well, I'm pretty sure you don't have to be in Law Enforcement for this to apply - I'm not a big fan of it myself!

Perhaps i should have said that although they were willing to tolerate bad behaviour of some sorts, lying was not one of those things easily overlooked.

jimf671 29th Nov 2019 00:36


Originally Posted by roscoe1 (Post 10628084)
... ... stop by the local donut shop for some humble pie. ...

which at present is all over their faces.

Not impressed. These guys don't seem to be operating in the same universe as us. Certainly there is more of a problem with larger aircraft but just a different resultant wind direction or different shape of closure on the cas bag and it's away! They don't seem to be prepared.

NutLoose 1st Dec 2022 21:15

Ouch, I hope it was a practice winching.
 
Has got to be one of those every one dreads, it would feel like being in a centrifuge.


N707ZS 1st Dec 2022 21:45

Thought they were trying to whack their victim on a cactus.

henra 1st Dec 2022 22:01


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11340709)
Has got to be one of those every one dreads, it would feel like being in a centrifuge.

Ouch!
Indeed I hope there was no one actually in that 'centrifuge'. At that speed of rotation it would probably not be survivable or at least with significant permanent brain damage.

RickNRoll 2nd Dec 2022 02:04


Originally Posted by henra (Post 11340730)
Ouch!
Indeed I hope there was no one actually in that 'centrifuge'. At that speed of rotation it would probably not be survivable or at least with significant permanent brain damage.

Ice skater maybe?

uxb99 2nd Dec 2022 03:44

While uncomfortable would this be dangerous? The person is spinning around their axis. It's not like you are being spun on an arm like in a centrifuge.
Remembering my childhood and being spun mercilessly on a roundabout.

Nescafe 2nd Dec 2022 03:57

Settled in court

[email protected] 2nd Dec 2022 06:12

It's what happens when you let poorly trained amateurs loose with a winch equipped helicopter and also a demonstration of how to make a slightly injured casualty much, much worse.

widgeon 2nd Dec 2022 18:47

Interesting , she did not believe airlift was necessary , is it another case of the medical guys running up the bill needlessly ?.


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