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UAE SAR 139 Crash
https://gulfnews.com/uae/video-four-....1546097394182
Ras Al Khaimah: A rescue helicopter crashed on Jebel Jais mountain in Ras Al Khaimah, killing four crew members on Saturday. The incident happened when the helicopter clipped a zipline on the mountain, the UAE's highest peak. The dead include three Emiratis and a foreigner. Their identities were not immediately released by the police. His Highness Shaikh Saud Bin Saqr Al Qasimi, Supreme Council Member and Ruler of Ras Al Khaimah, has ordered immediate investigation into the crash of the helicopter, which was operated by the National Search and Rescue Center. Shaikh Saud also ordered a comprehensive investigation into the security and safety requirements being followed in the incident site to establish the cause. A top official said: “The accident happened at 5:50pm on Saturday and the helicopter was on a mission to airlift an injured man from Jebel Jais. The helicopter crashed before reaching the man.” He said the helicopter crashed after hitting the zip line cable. he ‘Jebel Jais Flight’ zipline is the world’s longest ziplinehttps://gulfnews.com/uae/worlds-long...-rak-1.2167031in Ras Al Khaimah. It is 2.8km long – the length of 28 football fields and runs at a height of 1,680m above sea level, on top of Jebel Jais mountain, the UAE’s highest peak. By comparison, Burj Khalifa the world’s tallest tower in Dubai, is 828m high.Statements The General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) has announced the crash, identifying the chopper as Agusta 139 helicopter. It said the incident took place during a rescue mission next to Jais Mountain in Ras Al Khaimah. GCAA stated the crash took place at about 5.50 pm on Saturday. Search and rescue operations are ongoing. The National Search and Rescue Centre confirmed that four crew members were on the board of the helicopter when the crash took place. Haitham Mattar, Chief Executive Officer, Ras Al Khaimah Tourism Development Authority, said: ”We learned of the helicopter accident on Jebel Jais Mountain and can assure everyone that there were no injuries to any of the public on Jebel Jais, our team or the facilities on the mountain. We await further details pending the outcome of the investigation ordered by His Highness the Ruler of Ras Al Khaimah.” An official at Saqr hospital told Gulf News that they received one injured man, an Indian, who sustained injuries while he was on Jebel Jais. Three bodies were recovered and the search for the fourth crew member, the medic, is still on.Rescue operations While the police have not released details of circumstances surrounding the crash, there have been a number of search and rescue operations on Jebal Jais over the years. In January, police rescued a European tourist who fell off the mountain while trekking. A rescue helicopter was used to lift the victim. Later in the year, a Ras Al Khaimah police helicopter rescue team saved a Pakistani family from tragedy after their car plunged into a valley in Jebel Jais. In September, a trekker who fell down the mountain was air lifted by helicopter to hospital – she didn’t survive and in October 2017, Ras Al Khaimah Police Air wing transported an injured woman to hospital from a ravine after her family car veered of the road.Statements The General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) has announced the crash, identifying the chopper as Agusta 139 helicopter. It said the incident took place during a rescue mission next to Jais Mountain in Ras Al Khaimah. GCAA stated the crash took place at about 5.50 pm on Saturday. Search and rescue operations are ongoing. The National Search and Rescue Centre confirmed that four crew members were on the board of the helicopter when the crash took place. The bodies are yet to be recovered from the crash site, it added. https://images.gulfnews.com/201812/h...resources1.jpgWhat is Jebal Jais?
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Horrific video. RIP fellow aviators
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Rescue A139 down in UAE
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Would the zip line show up on their EFIS as powerlines do?
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Originally Posted by Raffles S.A.
(Post 10347138)
Would the zip line show up on their EFIS as powerlines do?
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No EFIS I've used in the past 3 decades has depicted "power lines" but that has not been on rotary aircraft. That's nada, zilch, zero, zip.
Noticed on above link that zip line/ride had been installed as the world's longest zipline ride earlier this year. Was it duly noted on notams to warn aircraft in the area? As it was still daylight at the time of accident there must have still been interest in those who find a thrill on the zipline to partake. Was anyone injured or worse while on the zipline at the time the helicopter made contact with it? Was the zipline severed? Sadly similar accidents have occurred in the past https://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/04/w...ift-cable.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavale...disaster_(1998) Lastly condolences to crew and passengers of tragically downed helicopter, may you rest in peace. |
If I recall correctly, a small plane got tangled in a zip line recently near Sun City, South Africa. The occupants were eventually rescued unharmed.
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If I recall correctly, a small plane got tangled in a zip line recently near Sun City, South Africa. The occupants were eventually rescued unharmed. This was a truly tragic event. May they RIP and let the rest of us learn from this. |
Here’s the airspace depiction on the Jep VFR chart. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c13aa1bc03.png |
Rest in Peace
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Zip lines and GA don’t make good (aviation) neighbors. Similar accidents in Sun City, South Africa. Invisible cable, hundreds of feet above ground. Support towers “kilometers” apart. |
Wires will straight up kill you!
In areas in the Pacific Northwest, timber logging crews can rig Hi-Lead Lines in a matter of hours with no notice to anyone. One must learn how to fly in a Wire Environment or be at great risk. Like this Crew did not know about the Zip Line? This accident investigation is not going to be about "What" happened....but rather it will be about "Why" this happened. |
"Noticed on above link that zip line/ride had been installed as the world's longest zipline ride earlier this year. Was it duly noted on notams to warn aircraft in the area? "
Yes, it was NOTAMed |
Enough digital based map tools out there warning of wires which given the impact of loss of these people plus equipment must make it a low value purchase in the grand scheme? |
I think you mean high value/low cost. I’m impressed with the sophisticated reaction from the (high) authority to zero in on root causes. The days of an ʾIn shāʾa llāh shrug are behind us. |
It was their local patch and the zip line appears to have been very well publicised - how could they not know about it?
Very sad - RIP. |
Agree with Crab on this entirely. Totally avoidable tragedy, very sad. Hope the report doesn't gloss over basics, because lessons need to be learnt. But not the hard way like this one.
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The most likely wires to be hit are the ones you know about.
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Perhaps vaguely similar to the CHC S92 accident in Ireland. An experienced crew flying a modern helicopter into an obstacle they should have known about, and in visual conditions (although whether the CHC crew was in fact visual was highly unlikely).
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Perhaps - again - an over-reliance on the technology to keep you safe rather than local knowledge and awareness - just follow the magenta line......................
Perhaps those that build helicopters will recognise that what works for an airliner at FL nosebleed, isn't often much use for a helicopter at 100' agl or lower. |
Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 10350320)
The most likely wires to be hit are the ones you know about.
That reminds me of a Balkan foray in1999. A Canadian helicopter had found some wires that weren't marked on the Michelin Road map. Next day the UK Puma flt cdr goes on a wire hunt with his Little Chef map; yep, he found the wires. :) Didn't do Puma Boy too much harm - last time I looked he was an AVM. |
Didn't do Puma Boy too much harm - last time I looked he was an AVM. A decent video on Wire Strikes and the prevention measures one can use.....not the definitive source but worth taking a few minutes to consider. |
Didn't do Puma Boy too much harm - last time I looked he was an AVM. We were first tourists together on 72 Sqn if I've got the right AVM:) |
Incorrect I think |
Crab, close but no cigar. This particular chap first starred as a fg off on 230 when it was at Gutersloh. More recently had an AOC-ship.
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Wire strike?
New video showing that something fell off the AW139, allegedly supporting the claim that this accident was not a wire strike.
http://www.facebook.com/658864898/po...8151863204899/ |
Then why was one of the 3 zip lines found to be down after the crash? Sure, something departed the scene, you can see it falling (perhaps a FLIR head or rescue hoist or night-sun?). But if you fly into a wire it's quite possible the helicopter is not going to be intact after that.
With the severity of the impact and resulting fire I'd be surprised if there was anything of the FDR/CVR left. |
The part will be found and depending upon what it was....and the damage to it....and the location it is found and other forensic evidence to include the wire......will determine the sequence or events....assuming an effective Accident Investigation is conducted.
Let's be honest....Wires will straight up kill you.....and if there is wire down....the odds of it being something departed the aircraft THEN the aircraft hit the wire cutting it....are rather small. Hitting the wire and something departing the aircraft AFTER the wire strike are far. more likely. |
The initial press report was quite specific about a wire-strike and I am assuming the UAE press are better than the Sun or Daily Mail with their reporting accuracy..
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When you watch the video you can hear the sound of a wire under tension snapping before something departs the helicopter so IMHO it was a wire strike.
As always the investigation should tell us what exactly happened. |
Crab likes to bet on sure things it would appear!
How could they be less reliable? |
All very sad and probably avoidable. I had three compatriots die hitting a wire in Norway in a snow storm - now the Norwegians are very careful about wires and if you fly there you can see why and their wire maps are second to none. On this occasion the wire hit was a big thick cable rather than a wire and it was not on the wire map. When I dashed over to see the master map immediately after the crash I was told quote " It is not on the map because everyone knows it is there" - sometimes you just can't win........................
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According to the family of one of the deceased crew as quoted in the UAE press, it was the will of god that the helicopter flew into the wire and crashed and made them all martyrs. So in that instance, the accident was unavoidable.
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Perhaps there was one Infidel in the aircraft and he did not ascribe to the "Enshallah!" concept?
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Wow. A lot of your posts are worth reading, Sasless. But quantity does not equal quality. And that last post smacks of bigotry and a lack of respect for fellow aviators. Sad. |
Sorry that you feel that way Ed.....but having worked in Saudi, Somalia, Iran, Pakistan, and Jordan and with others who are followers of Islam.....there is very much a different outlook than for those who are not.
That is a fact....and nothing I said was an insult.....just pointed out that we are the product of our environments....and they vary greatly. I would suggest you learn more about folks before you starting calling them ignorant and racist. So get off the Out Rage Bus. |
Yeah, you’re right. They’re all the same. It’s ‘Inshallah’, by the way. :ugh: |
So, Ed, you appear to have no issue with the statement preceding SASless' (#33), but only in his use of the the shorthand used to justify the unjustifiable in this part of the world.
My greatest issue would be with pilot's abrogating their responsibility to a higher power, rather than taking personal responsibility for the safe outcome of a flight. |
Originally Posted by Rocket Surgeon
(Post 10353048)
1...you appear to have no issue with the statement preceding SASless' (#33)...
2...My greatest issue would be with pilot's abrogating their responsibility to a higher power, rather than taking personal responsibility for the safe outcome of a flight. 2. It's just the way it is in some parts of the world, I've seen it first hand myself (only generalizing here and not suggesting for a second there was any intended abrogation of pilot responsibility to a higher power in this instance). |
I suppose Ed will agree that a full understanding of the Islamic use of the concept of "martyrdom" requires the grasp of the fact there is the traditional sense of the death of one who is submitting to the Will of Allah and should not be confused with the more common association of the term when combined with the current style of Jihad.
They are quite different. As the flight was done in pursuit of a peaceful effort not related to a religion related effort....the family was quiet correct in using that connotation of the word. But then what do I know.....eh Ed? Pilots generally being very analytical sorts.....probably prefer to look for the causes of the event and seek answers in facts, data, and similar kinds of information. But even then we have to remember.....the analytic approach runs out of gas for example when the question asked is "How did the the people onboard Pan Am 103 happen to find themselves on the flight that night when the bomb went off?". That is when we bring in that notion of "Fate", "Luck", "Karma", etc. |
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