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How many days a month do HEMS/HART/Road paramedics work? LZ |
Ask how many of them would go back to the military. Good luck to those who apply. An amazing job It's irrelevant since it won't ever happen now SAR has been removed from the military but not everyone is happy with how Bristow is run - it's certainly not a meritocracy. It is an amazing job but when there is only one employer in town there isn't really a choice who you work for. |
Originally Posted by Hot_LZ
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How many days a month do HEMS/HART/Road paramedics work? LZ |
Originally Posted by Bap70
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I,m quite surprised by the salary package. Even after 5 years, successful cadetship, staff salaries will still be falling short of NHS paramedics. I can see that the job role will be attractive to many, but unlikely to lure experienced HEMS or HART paramedics who arguably have more of a similar skill set, having also many years of paramedic experience.
The starting salary is only likely to attract more junior paramedics on Band 5 salaries with limited experience. Still an awesome job though. |
That's recruitment finished for the cadetship. Does anyone know if a large amount of paramedics applied? Or did the pay put people off?
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Originally Posted by Para1234
(Post 10404595)
That's recruitment finished for the cadetship. Does anyone know if a large amount of paramedics applied? Or did the pay put people off?
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Para
Yep just waiting to hear
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Originally Posted by Para1234
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Yep just waiting to hear
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Interesting job...Heard bristows decent employer and look after staff better than nhs. Pay is low but can easily supplement that with bank paramedic work
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Good luck, maybe you are best placed to say what the interest was then?? |
4 places I have heard.
it will add problems when the cadets are ghosting shifts to gain experience as they won't, as I understand it, be classed as technical crew because they aren't fully trained and are therefore passengers on operational SAR flights. |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 10411270)
4 places I have heard.
it will add problems when the cadets are ghosting shifts to gain experience as they won't, as I understand it, be classed as technical crew because they aren't fully trained and are therefore passengers on operational SAR flights. |
I suspect it will depend on what the SAR AOC allows them to do with pax on board - apart from that you have another untrained person for the crew to look after.
Just passing on thoughts from someone who had concerns. |
its no different then when they carry a Mid wife or road ambulance paramedic. At least its a fully qualified Paramedic that is learning the air skills and isnt frightened of a bit of blood.
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But they don't generally carry those people to the job and have them on board for the riskier elements of it.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 10411270)
4 places I have heard.
it will add problems when the cadets are ghosting shifts to gain experience as they won't, as I understand it, be classed as technical crew because they aren't fully trained and are therefore passengers on operational SAR flights. Are SAR operations regulated by EASA / EU legislation or are they regulated by the NAA of the contracting State. Just wondering if that affects the status of TCMs as my understanding is that they have status under EASA but under the UK CAA they would be considered passengers as UK legislation says you’ve either a pilot or passenger. But I could be completely wrong on that interpretation as I know nothing about SAR ops. |
Another question might be who pays for their training hours? While they can, perhaps, ride along on crew training and SAROps, any training hours dedicated to them can't be revenue flights and MCA have only paid for hours to keep the present crews current, not to train new ones.
Just asking.... Just to add, heard the Newquay S92 go out early this morning to rescue 6 fishermen from a boat off Lands End in 6M waves and very strong winds. Great job guys:ok: Would be interested to see what a cadet would make of that job watching the winchman trying to get aboard and thinking 'Oooer, that could be me next time' :) |
aircraft "tasked "to SAR missions are Under the ANO and not easa regulated. All other flights are easa regulated unless Brexit changes that.
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Crab, yes a great job done by the Newquay crew. I don’t know how they managed it with only 50 training hours allocated per month, no 360 radar and no standby crew! Only pulling your leg but I do agree with your cadet remark. |
Anyone heard anything back? BH website says 31st latest offer on selection. If nothing before then assume unsuccessful. |
Not heard of anything either. Was told should hear by tomorrow if succesfull
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
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Just to add, heard the Newquay S92 go out early this morning to rescue 6 fishermen from a boat off Lands End in 6M waves and very strong winds. Great job guys:ok: Would be interested to see what a cadet would make of that job watching the winchman trying to get aboard and thinking 'Oooer, that could be me next time' :) You train, then you do, then you train more. In SAR you hope on every mission that the training has prepared you sufficiently for the task you are faced with and have to be prepared to be adaptable and inventive when it hasn't. |
Originally Posted by Para1234
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Not heard of anyone hearing either. Heard should hear by tomorrow if succesfull
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How is a cadet background any different to any other TC background when faced with a big deck for the first time? You train, then you do, then you train more. In SAR you hope on every mission that the training has prepared you sufficiently for the task you are faced with and have to be prepared to be adaptable and inventive when it hasn't. Just how much live training, especially in difficult conditions, will the cadets get before they are let out by themselves? Just how much non-revenue flying will be dedicated to their progression? I'm not saying the right candidate won't be capable, just that seeing it for real the first time could be a real eye-opener. |
As an example, the winchman on the highlighted Newquay job was a Bristow trained TC who joined not too long back. He performed as we would expect. No one is going to let the new joiners go it alone unless they meet that required standard.
LZ |
Originally Posted by Para1234
(Post 10425610)
Not heard of anything either. Was told should hear by tomorrow if succesfull
I received a phone call yesterday informing I've been successful at the application stage and will be going forward to the assessment stage. There were about 300 applications and 20 people have been shortlisted. Sorry to all those who've not been successful this time around. |
Originally Posted by cig32
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I received a phone call yesterday informing I've been successful at the application stage and will be going forward to the assessment stage. There were about 300 applications and 20 people have been shortlisted. Sorry to all those who've not been successful this time around. Could I ask what your background is if you don’t mind so I’ve got an idea what I can work on for another time? thanks |
Originally Posted by steve_para
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Congratulations. Not heard anything so assume unsuccessful this time. Could I ask what your background is if you don’t mind so I’ve got an idea what I can work on for another time? thanks |
They had over 500 apply, not sure they would give feedback? But I agree would be useful to find out what they after
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
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Yes and the current TC were (mainly) trained in the military with hours to burn for all that preparation for the nasty jobs.
Just how much live training, especially in difficult conditions, will the cadets get before they are let out by themselves? Just how much non-revenue flying will be dedicated to their progression? I'm not saying the right candidate won't be capable, just that seeing it for real the first time could be a real eye-opener. I am sure the Bristow guys and girls know the rules and regs they have to work within and will fund training accordingly and to a level that they consider sufficient and safe. It is a continuing reality that UK SAR TC was and still is completely without national regulation. As long as that situation continues any SAR operator that holds the contract can train what they want, how they want, so it’s the regulator that holds the cards for which direction SAR TC training will ultimately take IMHO. Either the CAA want oversight or they don’t? In the mean time the general public, though they don’t know it, will have to simply rely on Bristow to set and maintain a high standard because nothing forces them by law to train to a measured standard. However, that situation is no different to how the MOD did things. They kept a high standard through experience and pride not because it was regulated. It is difficult to imagine any contractor that holds this contract now or in the future not wanting to run a safe and efficient operation; not only is it good business sense but it’s reported almost daily the pride and professionalism that still exists in SAR in the UK. I agree it would be much better if we didn’t have to rely on good will and pride.... It will be interesting to see how the Cadetship turns out but one thing is sure, the MOD was and still is broke. Much they did in SAR was groundbreaking and to be celebrated, but much was not and it’s easy to remember the excessive shifts and long working hours with rose tinted glasses blaming everything on “factors beyond their control”. Lack of manning is down to lack of resource and that was and is influenced and controlled by management at all levels of the MOD. The bottomless pit you are so fond of did not exist. I agree there was a seemingly bottomless pit of military ‘can do’ but sometimes that’s one of the factors that leads to being taken advantage of for years if not decades. In my time the pay back for good will was the military covenant, very sadly now, and for many years, that’s simply been a running joke. And..... back to sleep |
I still don’t get your point Crab? As hot LZ has pointed out the winchman on the job you picked as an example of a tough Deck was not an ex military trained TC. The present contract has a certain number of training hours which are for existing crews to retain skills and currency, not for training up new people from scratch - I believe the MCA have already asked questions over the use of the training hours they pay for being used incorrectly. So we come back to the question of how many hours training will be dedicated to the cadets? I thought Bristow were supposed to have set up a SAR training 'academy' but they have been so busy converting to 139 and then to 189, I don't see much evidence of it. The idea of training new SAR TC is great but it needs money thrown at it to do it properly - ie with the high internal standards you mentioned in Bristow SAR and the Mil - not a search for the cheapest route to fill a seat to meet the contract. |
If the particular winchman concerned is the one I think it was, then his background is very atypical and he has an extremely varied background in civ and mil SAR flying before joining UK SAR - certainly not just a run of the mill paramedic turned Sarboy - and as Crab says, was trained outside the UK SAR contract. A unique individual from a unique background and a completely different ball game to the current Cadetship training programme, so it's unreasonable to tout this fella as a demonstration of potential success in the non ex-mil TC world. However, speaking as someone with just a little bit of experience in these matters - I think what matters is 3 things - 1 = selecting the right person with 2 = the right aptitude to put through 3 = the right training programme. After all, that's al we ever did in the military........right person right aptitude, proper training programme. As there are so many other 'experts' out there, I'll leave it to you lot to decide if the current Cadetship programme will deliver in all 3 areas. I have my opinion, and I'll be happy to share it over a beer sometime..........
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So having obviously missed out on thr cadetship is it likely bristows will run another one next year or will the 4 candidates fill all the vacancies?
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Originally Posted by Para1234
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So having obviously missed out on thr cadetship is it likely bristows will run another one next year or will the 4 candidates fill all the vacancies?
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Recruitment
Out of interest did the cadets taken on get onto helicopters yet? How did it go? Is it likely bristows are going to recruit again? Desperate for the opportunity
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Originally Posted by Para1234
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Out of interest did the cadets taken on get onto helicopters yet? How did it go? Is it likely bristows are going to recruit again? Desperate for the opportunity
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They are on shift and working successfully. |
Hi all,
I’ve applied for this years ab inito winch paramedic cadetship. Haven’t heard anything back - has anyone else applied / heard anything? 😬 Thanks |
Not much help but Bristow Twitter says closed on 2 Feb. They will only contract those who were successful.
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Originally Posted by nbl
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Not much help but Bristow Twitter says closed on 2 Feb. They will only contract those who were successful.
Fingers crossed |
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