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Phoinix 3rd Feb 2024 07:21

7t TOM gets it right to a sea level platform... that's it. If it's not too warm.

SASless 3rd Feb 2024 12:16

Now had they gone to an off the shelf UH--60L/M......interoperability bonuses, commonality of parts, compatible training.....but then the DOD has never let commonsense get in the way of buying things.

Lonewolf_50 3rd Feb 2024 15:47

I remember from some discussions about this a few years back that USAF felt that it didn't need a 19,000-22,000 pound helicopter for this mission. They wanted/needed a smaller one. So that's what they got.
(Do not disagree with your point on parts commonality, etc)

SASless 4th Feb 2024 01:00

When does the taxi service turn into a combat assault aircraft?

One of the missions is to transport Special Reaction Teams in the event of hostile attacks upon a missile site or related facility.

When the bullets start flying....I would much rather be in a Blackhawk than the AW-139.

Likewise....come crashworthiness and redundancy of systems...I bet the UH-60 is far more resilient than the 139.

212man 4th Feb 2024 09:36


Likewise....come crashworthiness and redundancy of systems...I bet the UH-60 is far more resilient than the 139.
It may be, but I don’t think the 139 has any issues. There have been several crashes where it has demonstrated admirable crashworthiness. The Kenyan Police one comes to mind, but there have been others.

chopper2004 6th Feb 2024 21:56

FTU at Maxwell stood up
 
Maxwell AFB welcomes first active duty flying training unit since end of WW2 with the Detachment 3 of the 58th Special Operations Wing https://www.kirtland.af.mil/News/Art...it-since-1945/

RVDT 7th Feb 2024 17:54

Hope they have plenty of hangar space!

tottigol 11th Feb 2024 18:09


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 11589693)
When does the taxi service turn into a combat assault aircraft?

One of the missions is to transport Special Reaction Teams in the event of hostile attacks upon a missile site or related facility.

When the bullets start flying....I would much rather be in a Blackhawk than the AW-139.

Likewise....come crashworthiness and redundancy of systems...I bet the UH-60 is far more resilient than the 139.

May want to explain that to those who spent taxpayers' money in converting UH-1Ns to UH-1Ys rather than getting "pret-a-porter" MH-60S, however in this case the 139 beat the '60 in just about every check mark of the requirements.

tottigol 11th Feb 2024 18:11


Originally Posted by Phoinix (Post 11589197)
7t TOM gets it right to a sea level platform... that's it. If it's not too warm.

And the Air Farce initially pushed for 7,200Kg.

T28B 12th Feb 2024 03:14


Originally Posted by tottigol (Post 11595012)
May want to explain that to those who spent taxpayers' money in converting UH-1Ns to UH-1Ys rather than getting "pret-a-porter" MH-60S, however in this case the 139 beat the '60 in just about every check mark of the requirements.


Bell was originally to produce UH-1Ys by rebuilding UH-1Ns, but ultimately built them from scratch instead. In 2008, the UH-1Y entered service with the Marine Corps and also began full-rate production. The aircraft replaced the USMC's UH-1N Twin Huey[color=#202122] light utility helicopters, introduced in the early 1970s. The final UH-1Y was delivered in 2018.
Wasn't a conversion, in the end. (I had to look that up, though).

JohnDixson 12th Feb 2024 13:08

Like to offer a clarification to this phrase quoted from Tottigol:

however in this case the 139 beat the '60 in just about every check mark of the requirements “

Not close in the Ballistic Survivability and Vulnerability and Crashworthiness areas. ( But I understand-its going to be an admin aircraft etc ).

212man 12th Feb 2024 17:22


Originally Posted by T28B (Post 11595204)
Wasn't a conversion, in the end. (I had to look that up, though).

The whole programme paid lip service to the expression ‘upgrade’ and I think the only components that stayed were the cockpit doors and nameplates! The key point was the funding and overall programme process was administered in a totally different manner to a tender for a new type, so was a quicker and more streamlined “purchase”, with fewer hurdles to jump over.

Lonewolf_50 12th Feb 2024 19:32


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11595623)
The whole programme paid lip service to the expression ‘upgrade’ and I think the only components that stayed were the cockpit doors and nameplates! The key point was the funding and overall programme process was administered in a totally different manner to a tender for a new type, so was a quicker and more streamlined “purchase”, with fewer hurdles to jump over.

As was the F-18 E/F. ;)

212man 12th Feb 2024 21:26


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11595703)
As was the F-18 E/F. ;)

of course. Why invent the wheel?

SASless 13th Feb 2024 01:24

This might document might be of interest.

It is a 2022 Acquisition Report for FY 2022 and discusses the 139 Program.

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/D...R_DEC_2022.pdf

chopper2004 30th Mar 2024 14:05

Deliveries and Cuts
 
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...-at-malmstrom/

https://www.airforcetimes.com/resize...UOR4UJSFYQ.jpg



https://www.airandspaceforces.com/us...-xifzyzNSq_sK6

so looks like JBA and Yokota won't get theirs

cheers

Copter Appreciator00 31st Mar 2024 03:03

The article says the prog of record has been revised. So the total # of H-139s isn't going to be 80-84 airframes, and now will be 30-36. Does this imply the UH-1N (64 copters) will sustain for more years than planned in a mixed fleet alongside the 139?
If so, the Ns will receive upgrades, the same way the Spanish Navy upgraded their N models a few years ago, and as the Canadian Army is upgrading their Bell 412s?
Or will the UH-1N be phased, and maybe the UH-72 or H145 fill up the rest of the fleet?

chopper2004 29th Apr 2024 23:58

Another 7
 
Another seven on order

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-re...sX43W40WurHKeU

cheers

Lonewolf_50 30th Apr 2024 13:05


Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00 (Post 11626665)
. Does this imply the UH-1N (64 copters) will sustain for more years than planned in a mixed fleet alongside the 139?
If so, the Ns will receive upgrades, the same way the Spanish Navy upgraded their N models a few years ago, and as the Canadian Army is upgrading their Bell 412s?
Or will the UH-1N be phased, and maybe the UH-72 or H145 fill up the rest of the fleet?

Heard a rumor that the UH-1N is getting extended yet again, not that they are getting upgrades. (Why USAF didn't replace them with Blackhawks remains a mystery to me, but I guess the USAF has their reasons).


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