Do you let people have a go?
 

When flying in dual command aircraft are you breaking the law if you give control to passenger and you are not FI?

Assume that the person would have been briefed on the controls as well as positive exchange of controls.

I know some people do it but I am not sure if this is correct on not i.e. I bought a flight helicopter experience some time ago and did have the control even tried to hover. The person taking me out was not FI.

Legal in the US except in R22s and R44s where anyone who touches the controls must have an SFAR73 sign-off first. But legal in an R66, SFAR 73 does not apply :ugh:

Might be legal, but doesn't mean it is a good idea.

Done it lots of times.

Just retake control before you end up in the tulips.

That, ... and keep your mouth shut.

Dropping the controle on people without having briefed them on the opportunity on the ground where their brains still works is a very bad idea. Fixed wing or rotor craft.
Ask me how I know.
On second thoughts don’t....lol

I did mentioned that the person would have been briefed on the ground. In my case I have been briefed 30min by the pilot before we go out flying.


Your comment above make me worried that it is not right to do so....

I am mostly interested in rules for Europe (sorry forgot to mention this at start of thread)

Unless there is a law against it, it will be legal...

A lot of CAAs tell you that the duals have to be removed for commercial passenger flights.
They can only go in for training and check flights.

He was not.

AOC ops requires commercial pilots to fly - noone else.
GA flying may not have a rule specifically stating children cannot fly, but if they are NOT pilots, you'd have your work cut out convincing a law court you were in control and the insurance company would have a field day.
Same with cars I guess.
Only a dick would allow a child to take control.

(Big difference between taking control and following daddy thru on the controls).

In Canada with a VFR medium you will take the ground crew out in the morning flying from the right seat (CARs 703/4), then put on your longline, hop over the pedestal and fly (CARs 702) from the left seat until crew pickup time, then reverse.

Some companies have an STC for CARs 703 (commercial passenger carrying) from the left seat. On any medium I have flown you cannot remove the right seat controls.

Do you let people have a go?

Yes, I did once let a couple have a go, but they were in the back seat, celebrating their engagement, and asked me not to look around..... We weren't at 5,280' unfortunately, but that was a minor detail.

It’s all good fun till somebody gets hurt.
If you’re an aspiring career pilot be extra cautious even if it is legal.
Any blemish on your record won’t do your career any good.

😂😂😂 added some hi-lo g maneuvers to make "it" extra special??!

This was in a Bell 206, I didn't know much about Helis so he explained to me what was the effect of moving each controls. Also got a safety briefing before boarding the aircraft. During the flight I got Cyclic first then collective, don't think I got to touch the pedals.

I am not sure if it was tranport flight or not we were the only two people on board.

In Europe....


EASA EU1178/2011 FCL.900


"(a) General. A person shall only carry out:


1) flight Instruction in aircraft when he/she holds:


i) a pilot licence issued or accepted in accordance with this Regulation;


ii) an instructor certificate appropriate to the instruction given, issued in accordance with this subpart."




Not only should you be properly qualified, you should also be operating under a suitable flying school approval E.g. an ATO and at a suitable training aerodrome.


If you have an accident, the insurers will simply laugh at you and heaven help you if someone else is killed - you'll go to prison.


If you have not trained to be an instructor, you don't know what you don't know! Ask any newly qualified instructor what they have learned in their first six months and they will invariably tell you about someone doing something they had not expected.


As Ascend says it's not a good idea. I know of at least two UK accidents where private owners have let someone have a go and crashed of a result. It's this sort of irresponsibility that puts our insurance premiums up. Best don't do it!

Cylinder Head
There is a difference between giving instruction and "letting someone have a go"...

From a legal standpoint I don't believe there is a difference.
You are either licensed to operate an aircraft or not.
In the latter case, it can only legally be done under instruction.

There is a huge difference.
A student is a person registered for flight training with the authorities.