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skadi 7th Aug 2017 07:33

Unknown helicopter?
 
Does anybody has information of this Agusta? mockup? Early 139?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6182/...f5281945_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6182/...f5281945_b.jpg

Thanks

skadi

500 Fan 7th Aug 2017 13:30

Could it be the Agusta A129 Utility helicopter? Images in this link of that proposed helicopter. I think it never made it past the mock-up stage.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/foru...hp?topic=869.0

500 Fan.

helipixman 7th Aug 2017 20:43

If we are talking about the blue helicopter in the middle its an early mock up of an Agusta 139

https://s26.postimg.org/jsz1mo3m1/139_early_mockup.jpg

Bravo73 7th Aug 2017 22:22

Wow. That 139 bears little similarity to the 139 which ended up being produced.

500 Fan 8th Aug 2017 11:56

I think the A139 mock-up in the photo was a planned utility version of the A129 attack helicopter, using its engines, rotor system, transmission, landing gear and tailboom and was given the "next number up" in the designation sequence at Agusta. I guess that design was abandoned early on and the "A139" designation was left without an airframe until the current A139/AW139 came along.


All these proposed designs that never quite make it off the drawing board or beyond the mock-up stage are often quite interesting.


500 Fan.

lowfat 8th Aug 2017 12:21

god but thats Ugly

tottigol 9th Aug 2017 00:09

I get chills just reading that it was to be powered by yet another Briish ****ty turbine.

Bravo73 9th Aug 2017 15:48

Calm down. Let's not forget where the gas turbine engine was 'born'.

OldblokeTH53 9th Aug 2017 16:49

Interesting. I have seen this recently as one of a set of Warplanes cards (1989) as a camouflaged A139 LBH. It said there that it used the A129's dynamic system and landing gear with a new fuselage to carry 8 troops. They thought that it would also have an undernose gun turret and laterally mounted rocket launchers. The proposed engines were two 825 shp Rolls-Royce Gem 2 Mk 1004D Turboshafts. Maximum speed 260 kph, endurance 3 hours.

heli1 10th Aug 2017 06:13

This mockup was well publicised in the mid 1980s ,using the dynamic system of the A129 to produce a military/commercial transport variant.
What is more interesting is the silver grey fuselage to the right in the wrecks picture.Would anyone care to identify it? I will give you a clue...it was another transport design from an earlier era!

skadi 10th Aug 2017 09:28


Originally Posted by heli1 (Post 9857696)
What is more interesting is the silver grey fuselage to the right in the wrecks picture.Would anyone care to identify it? I will give you a clue...it was another transport design from an earlier era!

Agusta AB102?

skadi

Jim Barry 10th Aug 2017 11:33

Different angle?

http://www.aviationmuseum.eu/World/E...-LAH_Tonal.JPG

tottigol 10th Aug 2017 12:01

Agusta 102, not AB.
8 passenger piston engine with dynamic components derived from Bell design.

skadi 10th Aug 2017 12:31


Originally Posted by tottigol (Post 9857959)
Agusta 102, not AB.
8 passenger piston engine with dynamic components derived from Bell design.

Mmh...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agusta-Bell_AB.102

skadi

aerolearner 10th Aug 2017 13:45


Originally Posted by lowfat (Post 9855809)
god but thats Ugly

Apparently, the general layout wasn't that bad, as recently it got copy/pasted!:E
https://www.google.com/search?biw=19...oq=kamov+ka-62

Ian Corrigible 11th Aug 2017 12:40


Originally Posted by Jim Barry
Different angle?

That mod was developed as part of the four-nation A129 Tonal light attack helicopter (LAH) study, conducted by Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and the UK:

http://i.imgur.com/333fnxd.jpg

The fairing was presumably an attempt to replicate the AH-64D's extended cheek fairings, for ammo, fuel and/or avionics (i.e. EFABs). The Netherlands and the UK ultimately selected the Apache, with Spain buying the Tiger; Italy continued to develop the AW129 on its own.

For comparison, here's the AW129's standard ammo feed, sans fairing:

http://i.imgur.com/Fl4IynU.jpg

I/C


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