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Originally Posted by Mitchaa
(Post 9714960)
So explain the words "but it's a possibility, it's a possibility" - There's nothing definite about that statement to me.
In the case of an accident, it's imperative that you get caught up in semantics. Everything needs to be crystal clear and to my ears with the words, but, possibility and intentions, those words are far from clear. Just my opinion and perhaps wide off the mark but it's open to interpretation. Some posters are suggesting the crew didn't have a clue where they were and they didn't know they were anywhere near a 300ft rock, I find that extremely hard to believe hence why I am having trouble with the ATC transcript. As pointed out, they need to play it by ear to some extent as things evolve. The lack of contact with R118 was obviously causing them to consider their options. Land the chopper, refuel it and make a plan of action. |
Anyone worked out how long R118 was out of range of Shannon ATC and R116?
Accident investigators say they have not yet found any marks suggesting an impact between the helicopter and the island or its buildings. So how did the main wreckage and the tail parts come to be so far apart? Attempts had been made last night to use the Marine Institute’s ROV Holland 1 in 40m of water off the island’s south-east corner where the signal from the helicopter’s black box was first detected a week ago . The Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) was launched shortly after 9am this morning from the Marine Institute vessel, the Granuaile. It is the second time search teams have managed to deploy the high-tech device. A local fisherman in Blacksod Bay this morning said the weather has started to deteriorate after a good spell overnight. Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Eamon Dixon said it will probably be Friday before the sea is moderately calm again. |
Originally Posted by norunway
(Post 9714970)
Your just trolling now, you are obviously not a professional pilot, so what qualifies you to make such outlandish claims.
Any one that has flown, or still fly's on a SAR flight knows the professionalism that such crews fly with, and to say that they misidentified Blackrock as Blacksod is just rediculous. If you know what the low level approach to Blacksod looks like, you wouldn't be making such comments. No once have you asked have the missing crew been recovered yet? Instead it looks as if you are only interested in questioning their descision making on a 30 second ATC clip. Unfortunately, the SAR Crews can also make mistakes like other aviators... We are only Humans... |
Helicopter wreckage located off Black Rock.
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Main wreckage located now by ROV.
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As a professional pilot, my bosses favourite saying is
NO plan ever survives contact with the enemy... So I can well understand that whatever the plan was when 116 left on its fateful journey it would be as loose and fluid as possible to allow for all sorts of possibilities. Certainly, from my POV, the uncertainty is about whether they were heading out to the ship or not, not whether they were putting down for more fuel. |
The wreckage of Coast Guard helicopter Rescue 116 has been located off the Mayo coast. RTE report https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/844537634139467776 Few details on what was found, but current forecast is for a two or three day weather window starting Friday. |
Irish Naval Vessel "LE Eithne" heading to the area where wreckage has been found with family members of the missing crew on board
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For those commenting on the ATC 0000Z recording posted above, note that there was one further call with R116 made on the next tape (from 0030Z) which you can get here. Skip to about 4:30 in the recording.
"Shannon, Rescue 116" "Rescue 116, Shannon go" "Passing 4000 feet now in the descent making our way to Blacksod for refuel, Rescue 116" "Copy ... <inaudible>" |
Originally Posted by gulliBell
(Post 9714961)
I've landed on occasion to conjur up a plan when faced with a tricky situation that required a bit of thought, much easier to do the conjuring when sitting safely on the ground. However when I see the daylight photo of that helipad on Blackrock, surrounded by cold water, at night and in bad weather, there is no way I'd contemplate landing on that in those conditions for that reason. It just doesn't make sense to me as an alternative compared with the other option. Which is why I suspect they thought they were somewhere other than where they actually were, for whatever set of reasons. The under the weather transit reason from where they were to where they wanted to go does make operational sense, except when you look at it from the angle that they actually hit the rock. So by implication, the fact that the rock was there came as a surprise to them. Of course a serious malfunction at a critical point might explain why they hit a rock that they knew was there.
What he said. And no point in micro-analysing the call. It's not a scheduled airline flight with hours of planning. It's a SAR flight with a wide range of possibilities. |
Jurgen Whyte of the Air Accident Investigation Unit said it was the "absolute hope" that the crew are with the wreckage. "It's hugely positive, we could hear the beacon, we were homing in on the beacon and the proof in the pie is we have located the main part of the wreckage which is the helicopter itself. "We have the wreckage so it's just a matter of getting the weather window to get the ROV down, work our way through t |
For me its not far away at all that Blackrock and Blacksod can easily be mixed up.
Can you imagine the reference to the helipads in the FMS....BLARO and BLASO for example... Dont know the CHC SOP for entering waypoints in the FMS but misstakes of putting wrong waypoint in the box can turn out very bad...like in the Cali accident. If they had no Moving map either then its very easy to loose your situation awareness. If that is the case and if they did not have NVD I would really question the operator to put the crews in such difficult situations with not enough resorces. |
Originally Posted by ODEN
(Post 9715468)
If they had no Moving map either then its very easy to loose your situation awareness. If that is the case and if they did not have NVD I would really question the operator to put the crews in such difficult situations with not enough resorces. CHC Group Plan of Reorganization Confirmed by Court | CHC |
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Originally Posted by Red5ive
(Post 9715592)
Could the recent bankruptcy restructuring process have had an effect on resources available?
CHC Group Plan of Reorganization Confirmed by Court | CHC |
CHC outside of N Sea (not known by me) would have been, before flight - 1. check fms approved database in date (if not, manually enter required locations from published source) 2. check user waypoint database in particular for destination / alternate which is mobile (normally marked with 'X' as first input) against latest customer / rig status sheet and read and crosscheck challenge and response Lat / Long. 3. Confirm correct waypoint routeing. A fixed HLS / platform location in the user database may not necessarily have been checked ........
En route, each leg track and distance should be checked against ops flight plan. |
Originally Posted by ODEN
(Post 9715468)
If they had no Moving map either then its very easy to loose your situation awareness.
If that is the case and if they did not have NVD I would really question the operator to put the crews in such difficult situations with not enough resorces. |
CHC outside of N Sea (not known by me) |
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