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Originally Posted by md 600 driver
(Post 9443418)
No not Nigel h Nigel f
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Is it regular practise, for some reason, not to wear the shoulder straps?
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Not suggesting in any way that the person involved in this incident is in this video, just that I would like to ask if there is some sort of mindset being allowed to take place at Breighton.
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SS..... Should the young boys be drinking coke and not orange ?
Is that what you mean ?:p |
Found this looks like a similar kind of takeoff as the gazelle. |
Aren't these old turbines, under the right (wrong?) conditions, susceptible to compressor stall?
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Do you get compressor stall in centrifugal compressors?
PDR |
Do you get compressor stall in centrifugal compressors? |
Interesting find Mr747, it seems there was a bit of a problem starting with the third time being lucky.
Would like to know how all that worked, as the right hand seat person got out after the first failed start, got out went round the port side and opened the door. As the Al3 flew past we get the second start with person that was in the rhs standing by the port door. On the third (successful) start, same person closes port door checks engine and climbs back into the rhs. Who is in the lhs? As the ac presents the port side to us they look quite small. |
SS,didn`t you see his cowboy boots.....
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Shuuure did sycamore, thar's some crazy Al.2 folk out there ...
(other crazy helicopter folk are available) ... |
SS, the first video on your last post send shivers down my spine!
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Flew XP967 extensively between 1981 and 1983 when she was with 16Flt AAC in Dhekelia, Cyprus. |
K77 yes quite right and nuts not to wear ear defenders too
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Originally Posted by KNIEVEL77
(Post 9443983)
SS, the first video on your last post send shivers down my spine!
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Thankyou for your concern Crab , ....you do have a heart after all !!!!
As for the first video above ....i find it amazing that the pilot has managed to get so old !!! ( Or maybe he just looks old from the worry of what the f***K he would do if the donk stopped at anytime during that ride !!) |
Oh ...and i also wish them all a speedy recovery and thank God it wasnt worse ...
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The club will give out a statement tomorrow in-respect to the A2 crash yesterday. Thankfully no fatalities.
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Hi Mighty Gem, you might find that I gave you a few flights in the old girl!!
bondu |
About that video of a flight in Vidalia
Originally Posted by nigelh
(Post 9444050)
As for the first video above
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Hi Mighty Gem, you might find that I gave you a few flights in the old girl!! |
The yokels, sorry, locals aren't happy:
Breighton helicopter crash: Worried residents fear more accidents | Hull Daily Mail |
Another loovely day out in the countryside for the fire brigade :ok: Imagine how many would have turned up if there had actually been a fire !!!
When we are burning heather on the moor , in spite of warning them of exactly where the smoke would be coming from , they still turn out ...sometimes up to three engines and they can come back three times during the day if its a nice day . I guess they get paid by the number of call outs? |
The blue Gazelle in video one was a 705 cab back in the day, XW857. Flew it for my very first rotary solo, although my transition and climb away I recall was a little more measured than the one we see here.
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Originally Posted by MightyGem
(Post 9444702)
The yokels, sorry, locals aren't happy
That said, old warbirds (especially the gazelle) seem to be a license for "enthusiastic" flying the world over. :hmm: |
18th Jul 2016 21:14 squidie; The club will give out a statement tomorrow in-respect to the A2 crash yesterday. Bell Ringer; Isn't it amazing how people that live near an airfield are surprised by low-flying aircraft in the vicinity. "We have been saying it for weeks. There is a lot of low, low-flying and a lot of stunts from both the planes and the helicopters," she (LW) said. "They are always so low that it doesn't surprise me one of them has crashed. A few years ago the parish council banned certain activity there but it has slowly been relaxed – they are flying lower and lower and doing more and more stunts." Ms Watkinson added: "I think we are shocked by what has happened but not surprised because of what has been going on. If someone had listened and taken such action as a word in an ear, perhaps this incident may not have happened. 10 knots faster, 10 metres further or 10 metres higher and this could have easily been a multiple fatality event. What amazes me most is that aviators themselves have repeatedly watched these stunts go on for some time, so why didn't anyone in the aviation world say anything? |
The Real Aeroplane Company - Breighton Aerodrome
Helicopter Accident There have been numerous ill-informed reports broadcast and published regarding the accident at Breighton Airfield on Sunday evening. To set the record straight the aircraft involved was a visitor to Breighton and was landing on Runway 28 with five on board when the accident occurred. We are unclear as to how the accident happened and the Real Aeroplane Company are liaising with the AAIB who are conducting an investigation into the incident and compiling a report which will be published when complete. The airfield was manned at the time of the accident by our organising team who were nearing the end of their duties following the weekend's event, the vast majority of club members and their guests having already departed. Our thoughts are with our friends who are injured and we wish them a speedy recovery. They are all making good progress. We also send our best wishes to their families and friends. We would like to thank all Club members who were at the scene and who acted so promptly, we'd also like to extend that thanks to the emergency services, who were brilliant, and to everyone who has emailed and telephoned their best wishes. Breighton is a very safe airfield with an exceptional safety record throughout its 25 years, the Company collection of historic aircraft having never suffered an accident or caused injury to pilots whilst operating at the airfield. http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=ha+ppc+breighton |
Obviously CAP 632 wouldn't apply as it was Hungarian registered and with neither the thread http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/275...estions-2.html nor the report https://assets.publishing.service.go...-LFB_10-12.pdf being able to answer my question, could someone please answer this for me ... What, if any, are the regs for carrying passengers in Hungarian registered ex military aircraft?
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I think there are all sorts of regulations that are 'worked around' with the Hungarian registration - many of them related to dodgy maintenance practices and component histories.
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Originally Posted by SilsoeSid
(Post 9447555)
10 knots faster, 10 metres further or 10 metres higher and this could have easily been a multiple fatality event.
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Maybe so Hot and Hi, but that only works if the conditions are right, the biggest being if the aircraft remains in one piece.
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SS an Crab
If it is anything like having the 341 on the YU reg it is to do with cheaper parts. I used to fly 2 x 341's for owners, one on the G plate ( EASA machine )and one on the Yu plate ( both civil ones not ex mil). the clutches had gone in both machines. Eurocopter charged £ 37 k for the G plate one. The Yu clutch came straight from the factory in Bosnia ( not an EASA signatory ) and was £ 7500. On later investigation ( paperwork left in box ) the G plate clutch had been been purchased by Eurocopter from the factory in Bosnia, they then charged £29000 for putting an EASA Form 1 on the clutch, nice work if you can get it !!!!!:ugh: |
Blimey :eek:
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Originally Posted by SilsoeSid
(Post 9447751)
Obviously CAP 632 wouldn't apply as it was Hungarian registered and with neither the thread http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/275...estions-2.html nor the report https://assets.publishing.service.go...-LFB_10-12.pdf being able to answer my question, could someone please answer this for me ... What, if any, are the regs for carrying passengers in Hungarian registered ex military aircraft?
Thanks. Passengers are allowed to be carried The same as when the same aircraft was in the uk on the g reg with a full c of a but whereas the UK CAA allowed commercial operations/air taxi ect the Hungarians will not they only allow private use You may ask why take this aircraft off the UK. G reg I also know the answer to that one when the owner bought it he looked for a maintenance company with expertise in operation of alouette helicopters there was virtually no one in the uk that had any on their books and he found a maintence company that was JAR 145 in Hungary that had 16 alouettes on their books and he arranged for them to maintain his helicopter , there was also a problem with instructors / examiners for yearly LPC they were also very thin on the ground with the U.K. CAA frequently having to give special authorisation for training and exams The Hungarian CAA had a few examiners and training organisations to do type ratings Both of these made it a no brainier where to register it Sorry I forgot to add it's cheaper too |
Hughes 500 - I believe there have been some questions asked about who signs off the EASA Form 1s and suggestions made that unscrupulous operators might just do it themselves and pass the parts on as 'official'.
Cheaper isn't what I would choose if it was keeping me up in the air. |
Crab
I know what you are saying but saw the box with the clutch in with Eurocopter paperwork. They want to drive the 341 out of the market as it is a better machine than the 120 ! |
why not put it on the n reg ? Regarding type ratings and examiners being hard to find , the great thing with the FAA license is that i can do my check ride ( every TWO years ) and i can be signed off by an instructor who has never even been in my type of helicopter !! I really think i would give up most of my flying if i had to have a type rating for each aircraft ....i only have about 7 or 8 types that i regularly fly but even that would be a real headache !!! .....
and very expensive and completely unnecessary . |
BBC news now showing "1 Fatal" in connection with this accident. Not good news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36894643 |
There is a separate condolences thread running in respect of the fatality from this accident.
http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/582081-nigel-f.html |
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