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homonculus 28th Dec 2015 10:37

Border

I suspect this is really a wind up - surprised nobody picked you up on your claim you were a qualified first aider and mechanic :D

Get real young man. You colleague gets bitten. Or hit on the head with your crane. Unconscious, no blood pressure. etc etc. How are you going to get the stretcher in a 44.... or a 206...... and are you going to be managing the patient in the back at the same time as you are up front driving? Never mind, when you break it you will be able to mend it :mad:

Nubian 28th Dec 2015 11:14

26500,


This is in every way a commercial operation and as such requires authorisation from the relevant authority.
Really!? If the company only fly it's own employees in case of emergency, and they don't charge for this ''service'' it is not for ''remuneration or hire'' and therefore not commercial air transport.
There are as Chop says, many operations around the world which is legally flying corporate (if you understand that term) which is not commercial air transport, whether you like it or not!

Why does everyone here use the UK or EASA regulation as reference for all aviation related matters in the world?? There is quite a few countries that is not subject to this set of regulations..... thank god!

Border,
In this case I would ask the Moroccan CAA about their regulations before venturing further into asking armchair experts about their opinion, as you would get about as many different opinions as you get answers.

Have you tried to contact Heliconia? They operate all over Morocco with a variety of helicopters, and an agreement with them would probably be the best overall solutions in any case.

Bravo73 28th Dec 2015 11:42


Originally Posted by Nubian (Post 9222132)
Why does everyone here use the UK or EASA regulation as reference for all aviation related matters in the world?? There is quite a few countries that is not subject to this set of regulations..... thank god!

Don't worry. 26500lbs doesn't even seem to be referring to UK or EASA regulations. See Shytorque's post above.

hueyracer 28th Dec 2015 16:33


Really!? If the company only fly it's own employees in case of emergency, and they don't charge for this ''service'' it is not for ''remuneration or hire'' and therefore not commercial air transport.

Really?

Donīt ever tell that to CHC...to Bristow....or any other commercial operator.....the big companies-Total, Tallow-You name them-would LOVE to do the work themselves then....much cheaper for them.

A commercial license is required.

But i smell crap anyway....come on....a crane driver flying 200 hours a year over 10 years, accumulating 2000 hours?
I know commercial pilots flying way less than 200 hours a year......
:ugh:

SASless 28th Dec 2015 17:04

But it does show the pay scale difference between skilled labor and Pilots.:E

chopjock 28th Dec 2015 17:25

hueyracer

Donīt ever tell that to CHC...to Bristow....or any other commercial operator.
CHC, Bristow, Bond etc are all providing a chargeable service to a customer, so obviously it's CAT.

ShyTorque 28th Dec 2015 17:31

Chop jock, so in your operation, the pilot using his PPL and his pax will all share the actual costs of the flight, won't they? :hmm:

chopjock 28th Dec 2015 17:57


so in your operation, the pilot using his PPL and his pax will all share the actual costs of the flight, won't they
We are not talking about my operation and no, they won't.

Nubian 28th Dec 2015 19:12

Huey,

Nope, you don't get it.
I've already told the OP what would probably be the best solution to the question (if it infact is a genuine post) and I don't think his own idea is a good one, but for legal matters (not knowing the Moroccan regs) I just question the personal opinions that some have here.

An example from the US.
You might be familiar with FAR-Part 61.113 Private pilot privileges

(b) A private pilot may, for compensation or hire, act as pilot in command of an aircraft in connection with any business or employment if:
(1) The flight is only incidental to that business or employment; and
(2) The aircraft does not carry passengers or property for compensation or hire.
So, lets say ''Bob's Wind-farms'' in Oklahoma would buy their own helicopter for the odd rattlesnake-bite as they are working far away from a hospital and their crane-operator is a private pilot, they could very well do this as it would be incidental to the business(unless this was a thing that happened several times a day), and the pax would not pay for the flight....

Now, as I don't know the local regulations in Morocco I can't say this is the case there, but I find it hard to believe that this would only be possible in the US.
Or maybe it is a ''only in America thing''


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