Differential training
 

Hey guys,

I was searching through the EASA rules a long time. I cannot find anything about logging time without differential training.

My question:

Is it ok to log the flown time as a copilot WITHOUT a differential training ?

e.g. I have a typerating on AS365 and it is being entered in your license as followed: Typerating AS365/EC155

So may I log the time on EC155 ?

Thank you!

No, you need 1h with TRI, and to sign you a logbook (as D.T.)

JR

Hm ok. Thanks!

It might be more training than you actually think, or hope it will be.
Whilst they have combined the 365 and 155 into the Dauphin family with regard to the actual type rating, the differences training required is basically the same, if not more, than that required for an initial type rating!

Have a look at the OEB from EASA:

http://easa.europa.eu/system/files/d...2-08022012.pdf

It is quite a long document, but the tables towards the bottom of it show the suggested training between the different 365 variants and the 155.
From a 365 N2, they suggest 30hrs ground school, plus the ground exam, followed by 3hrs VFR, and appropriate hours for IFR. Then the PC. So a type rating course!!
Good luck.

So back to the question; you cannot log time as you are not rated on that variant. So are not operating crew.

I think this reflects the fact that originally they were classed as different types. The concept of differences training is quite valid when looking at moving from an S76A to an S76A+ - for instance - but becomes questionable in the case quoted.

The requirement is stated in Part FCL.710 and the UK CAA guidance (in CAP804) states this:
NOTE: There is no time stipulated, contrary to JR's comments....

Difference training
 

But it does state in AMC2 FCL.725(a)(d) difference training of 1hr.

Cheers

I'm note sure, but if I remember correctly, diff. trng between B212 and 412 is only 1h of flight time...Can't say about the AS365 family...

JR

Ah, yes I see that now, but they are then contradicting themselves by saying that the training should conform to that recommended in the OSD (OEB as was)....

It's all in that document pointed out by Hyds Out. Potentially a lot more than 1hr.

And the taxonomy with respect to "variant".

There are no "variants" in the TCDS for these aircraft just different "models". :rolleyes:

Agreed, I think more EASA OEB reports will be produced which may move the goal posts for initial TR too.

I suppose the above will have to be taken into account along with the minimum requirements set out in Part-FCL to end up with a course laid out in the ATO which is acceptable to relevant CAA.

I presume difference training must be an approved ATO course?

One last thing, does "should" = must? Or is it highly frowned upon if you don't? :suspect:

@ss... only "Shell" = must

No. Only for the initial TR. For diff. trng TRI/TRE only is enough (and his sign in your logbook). I think.

:ok:

JR

To amplify what Jet Ranger said:

Compare and contrast with a similar statement with regard to, say, class or type ratings:

Notice the difference?

P.O'T ... thanks

:ok: JR

Pete O'T & JR, thanks for that! :ok:

Hello, sorry to wake up this old post,
Does anybody now what kind of difference training I need to get from my H155 rating to a AS365 rating?