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[email protected] 24th Mar 2017 10:59

If they had just trimmed to the hover attitude, raised the lever to establish a reasonable rate of climb, waitied until they saw 100' on the rad alt and then adopted a gentle accelerative attitude whilst keeping the climb going they would still be alive.

It is a basic technique which can be done in an unstabilised single as well as a full IFR AP aircraft.

ShyTorque 24th Mar 2017 11:53

The cause of this tragic accident appears to be that a manoeuvre beyond the crew's capability was attempted, in that a transfer from visual references onto instruments wasn't successfully made.

The lesson to be learned seems obvious to me. The guidance put forward by the CAA in SN-2016/001 is very valid.

I think it's important to remember that mitigation of the risk of an engine failure is not always the most pressing need. In very poor visibility, obstacle collision avoidance might well be far more urgent. A privately operated aircraft, i.e. one not engaged on a public transport flight, is not legally required to carry out a Class A departure. Some private landing sites do not comply with the requirements for PT in any case and require a degree of flexibility with regard to published departure and landing profiles.

Having said that, it's still the commander's responsibility to keep it safe. Sometimes that means cancelling a flight.

SASless 24th Mar 2017 11:58

AMEN! Crab is spot on with that comment!

nevillestyke 30th Mar 2020 19:38


Originally Posted by Sir Niall Dementia (Post 8377104)
Cabby;


That site was lit, and I'm not aware of anyone daft enough to use un-lit sites these days.


I heard the Vine show, one bloke claimed to be an aviation analyst, he was ex-Beccles cabin crew and rattled on about instrument lag and all sorts of stuff he got from books, but the real treasure was Tommy Abdy-Collins, long retired, who decided to shoot his stupid mouth off about how pro helicopter pilots fly to Cheltenham for the festival under power lines to avoid the weather. He then regaled the listeners with stories of what cowboys we all are. WELL DONE TOMMY! YOU UTTER C***. Next time you decide to traduce my colleagues and me like this I'm going to stamp on your face you ignorant t***.


SND

TAC was slated to do a live talk on YouTube tomorrow 31st March, retelling his hilarious stories of near misses past. I had a word with the organiser, on his forum, citing your displeasure with his limelight grabbing radio foray, and it has now been changed to a private event for his forum, not to be broadcast to the wide world.

DOUBLE BOGEY 31st Mar 2020 10:51


Originally Posted by nevillestyke (Post 10733683)
"citing your displeasure with his limelight grabbing radio foray" .

Excellent use of Prose. Well, done Sir!

Sir Niall Dementia 31st Mar 2020 11:05


Originally Posted by nevillestyke (Post 10733683)
TAC was slated to do a live talk on YouTube tomorrow 31st March, retelling his hilarious stories of near misses past. I had a word with the organiser, on his forum, citing your displeasure with his limelight grabbing radio foray, and it has now been changed to a private event for his forum, not to be broadcast to the wide world.

Thank you; just got your PM too. The last thing this industry needs is tales of derring do. We're in enough trouble right now..

SND

meleagertoo 31st Mar 2020 13:18

Is there a recording/transcript of that Vine show interview?

TorqueOfTheDevil 1st Apr 2020 13:23


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 10734556)
Is there a recording/transcript of that Vine show interview?

Unlikely, this long after the broadcast


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