4 exams to do......approved course required?
 

Phil
One more question please: In my situation with 4 IR exams to complete, do I need to use a training organisation that has IR-H approval?. The exams I will sit are IR-H rather than ATPL. My previous training provider does not have the IR-H stamp.
Second time around for the exams, is there an exemption from an approved course?. Is it best to ask Mr Mooney for advice?.
My question is regarding the theory only.....not the practical part of the IR.
Thanks in advance.
Regards.
TTW

You still need an IR provider, and there are no exemptions from an approved course.

Ready2Fly: LBA reasoning: Pre JAR-FCL there was no distinction between CPL and ATPL exams

That's correct - the only difference between the CPL and ATPL was the amount of hours involved

Phil

If you already hold an icao atpl you can get an exemption from doing an approved course as far as I'm aware!!!

With 1000 hours multi-crew, I believe, but you would be very unwise to take the exams without preparation

Phil

All you need to do is hit the question banks, no need to spend a couple of grand on a needless course that teaches stuff you don't need to know, also don't think you need that much time!!!

Rubbish.

The CAA have changed the answers and/or text of at least 5000 questions, so the banks are pretty much useless for anything but revision, except for one or two subjects that they haven't got round to yet, such as law and ops.

Ask anyone who has tried to take POF(H) over the last 6 months.

And it's not the course or the provider that is responsible for stuff you don't need to know, take that up with the twits who set the syllabuses. For an IR-H TK course he will only need £795.

Phil

4 exams
 

Phil

Thanks for the info: "For an IR-H TK course he will only need £795". That's a distance learning course plus a 3 day brush up course before the exams?.

I am aware of the question banks value but I would not risk attempting the exam based only on their revision. No doubt I will need a signature from my approved training provider on my exam paper to confirm I attended an approved course....right?.

Regards.
TTW

Exactly right, especially as the IR exam contains some FW questions in the Flight planning.

PM me for further details

phil

Apb - under an integrated course did you not take the ATPL exams instead of the CPL? If not, why not if you wanted to eventually gain an ATPL?

when I got my CPL integrated course in Spain you only could do:

-CPL integrated (if you did this under amendment 3 or before you got ATPL VFR theory).
-CPL + IR integrated (no ATPL theory).
-ATPL/IR integrated (it included ATPL + IR + MCC...too much money for me at that moment).

The problem came now because I want to do my IR course and get the complete ATPL/IR theory but it seems I have to take twelve exams instead the four if you have a CPL amendment 3 (I have a CPL integrated approved under amendment 3 but in the midle of my course arrived the fu:mad:ng amendment 6).

Hi guys

Am new to this so hope I'm not jumping into the wrong thread as I am in a similar position to apb.

I'm hoping Paco is the man to help me out.
I need to upgrade my JAR CPL H to EASA ATPL H.

I hold a JAR CPL H + IR, plus all ATPL H theory credits and have done since 2012. I fulfilled all the hours requirements at the time to get an ATPL H, apart from the multi pilot hours.

I now have the multi pilot hours, from working abroad.
I know I need an ATPL H skills test, which I can source but what I don't understand is the following:

FCL.515 Training Course and Theoretical Knowledge Examinations
(a) Course. Applicants for an ATPL(H) shall have completed a training course at an ATO. The course shall be either an integrated training course or a modular course, in accordance with Appendix 3 to this Part. (Refer to 1.5 Additional Information.)Section 4 Part F, Subpart 2 Page 2

Is this for the course for the exams that I have already sat ?

That is the question.

Paco, if you're the man, do your stuff !!!

Many thanks in advance.

just to throw the fuel on the fire, do you still require the 100 night hours before being eligible for atpl(h) attempt and issue?

I just remember the hassle I had, having to resit 7 exams because of the old 36 month validity thing, and then night hours which were impossible to get at the time, because of the nature of the job I did.

An amendment 3 CPL(H) is the equivalent of the ATPL(H) (VFR) under FCL-3 as adopted by Part FCL, but it depends who you get in the CAA. Some have only taken 4 exams, some have to take 12. It would appear that the CAA have not adopted the EASA ruling about amendment 3 licences.

phil

Hi, sorry I know this is an old thread....

So I am just about to take my Mod 2 ATPL (H,IR) exams, the last 6 of a total of 14. Presuming I pass these like I did Mod 1 (August 2014) am I right in saying that I will then have 36 months to complete my IR training?

And if I do NOT gain my IR within that time my theory exam credits last for 7 years after the date of my last type rating, but will only be under ATPL (H) VFR?

Am I right that once I have passed the theory exams and completed and passed my CPL (H) training and Skills test this summer, even after the 36 month IR deadline lapses I will have CPL (H) indefinitely.

The reason I am wondering is when I decided to go ahead with the theory exam I thought I might aswell do the ATPL (H,IR) so if I either get the opportunity or have the money to pay for an IR I can go ahead and do the training. Paying for it myself is looking highly unlikely and getting a company as a low air time pilot to pay for it is never going to happen. I obviously still want to work as much I as can (Charter, Instructing and so on) to gain hours.

Essentially what I need to know is if my IR 36 month deadline lapses will I have to retake any of the theory exams to continue working in a CPL (H) VFR capacity?

Sorry for the long reply

Thanks for advance any help....

You will always have a cpl you passed a skills test, your expired exams IR will have to be taken again to allow you to sit a IR skills test

You realise you have 18 months to complete the 14 exams from the start of the first exam( end of the month of the start of the first exam)

Thanks Ersa, good to know.

Yes I am aware of the 18 month time frame. All being well I will pass these last 6 in 2 weeks, so done in under a year.. juggling a full time job has meant a lot of late nights... nearly there, or at least this the theory part, then the real hard work starts :)