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frozen cyclic 23rd Feb 2013 09:00

F/Os at Skyshuttle
 
Vacancies for F/Os at Skyshuttle Hong Kong.Apply on line at website.

Helo-Helo 23rd Feb 2013 18:34

Nice! Any info about the salary and roster in Hong Kong?
I'm a low time pilot who is really searching for an F/O job.
Thx

Bravo73 23rd Feb 2013 21:20


Originally Posted by Helo-Helo (Post 7711146)
Nice! Any info about the salary and roster in Hong Kong?

FYI, the jobs are based in Macau, not Hong Kong. And "Preference will be given to candidates holding an AW139 endorsement".

Good luck.

Helo-Helo 23rd Feb 2013 22:14

Yeah I know .. I'm just thinking like a drunk American tourist in this recession. 'Denmark is the capital of Amsterdam right?'- uhhm yeah right but you're in Brussels right now.. I know I don't have 500 hours, a 139 rating and offshore experience, but if a lot of companies all around the world starting to search for F/O's that means positive development!

Thx for the reminder ..

Bravo73 23rd Feb 2013 22:32

Have you got an IR?

All 3 Aberdeen operators are currently recruiting.

Helo-Helo 23rd Feb 2013 23:25

Yep, .. But I've SE/IR not ME. Seems to be a big hazard for the companies in the UK. Don't know why that's a minimum requirement if someone doesn't have the TR yet. Is it OGP or something else? I'm open for pm's.

flyingscorp 24th Feb 2013 07:42

which hel has better job oppurtunity R-44/66, BELL-407 or EC 130
 
Somebody plz plz help,

Just retired from 20 yrs' military life. Logged around 4000 hrs out of which 1000 is on F wing, 3000 hrs on R wing (all turbine), MI series 750 hrs, Bell-212- 2000 hrs, Have been instructor/examineer for long time, Flew all types of heli sorties but logged extensive mountain operations. Rt now finished CPL grd exams, but confused regarding type rating, Have job offer for R-44/66, Bell-407and EC 130. Salary almost same for all three types. Other facilities are no much different. If anyone let me know which one to chose from R-44/66 or BELL-407 or else EC130. For better future which helicopter is likely to provide better career/job oppurtunity around the world.

flyingscorp

Aucky 24th Feb 2013 07:53

Lots of low time pilots with R44/R66 experience. The EC130 or Bell 407 time, along with your military experience, will definitely provide you with more interesting opportunities (EMS, charter, sling, utility, tourism) and help to differentiate you from the rest unless you want to instruct, in which case you'd probably be busier in an R44/66.

Vertical Freedom 24th Feb 2013 07:53

350 series 🚁🚁🚁

apb 24th Feb 2013 10:29


R-44/66 or BELL-407 or else EC130. For better future which helicopter is likely to provide better career/job oppurtunity around the world
It depends in which country do you want to work,or most important, you can work. See which helicopters have these countries, contact with companies and ask what they are demanding, and then you can decide.

flyingscorp 24th Feb 2013 10:49

thanx everybody
 
Really appreciate all of your efforts,

@apb
Prefered to work in Indonesia, PNG, Australia, NZ and Middle East. Given a reasonable salary and roster open to work at any place though.

@Aucky- nop, no more instructing as it takes lots of efforts on ground preparing a new pilot.

Warm regrds,

flyingscorp.

Milo C 24th Feb 2013 16:47

skyshuttle
 
Why do they always have positions available?
Salary? Conditions? Pilots leaving? Or just they don't find people with that profile?

:confused:

Bravo73 24th Feb 2013 17:03


Originally Posted by Helo-Helo (Post 7711487)
Yep, .. But I've SE/IR not ME. Seems to be a big hazard for the companies in the UK. Don't know why that's a minimum requirement if someone doesn't have the TR yet. Is it OGP or something else? I'm open for pm's.

<snip> [Post edited & corrected in light of Courtesy Car's post below.]

But plenty of people have been hired with SE IR(H)s. So unless the advert specifically asks for a ME IR(H), I would apply anyway. And Scotland is a lot closer than Macau.

Curtis E Carr 24th Feb 2013 17:21


An ME IR(H) only needs a TRI & TRE for the conversion. An SE IR(H) holder also needs an IRI, who might not necessarily be 'on staff'
From FCL.905.TRI:


The privileges of a TRI are to instruct for:

(a) [...]

(b) [...]

(c) [...]

(d) [...]

(e) in the case of the TRI for helicopters:
(1) the issue, revalidation and renewal of helicopter type ratings;

(2) MCC training, provided he/she holds a multi-pilot helicopter type rating;

(3) the extension of the single-engine IR(H) to multi-engine IR(H);


Helo-Helo 24th Feb 2013 17:56

Thx for the replies! The extra cost was what I was expecting. I will sent my papers to Bond this week. Someone knows what they offer for bonding commitment? And what the numbers of needed F/Os are in Aberdeen (not only Bond but CHC+ Bristow also)?

For the guys with TR's. NHV has some openings on their website. Captain+ F/Os.
GL

Bravo73 24th Feb 2013 18:09


Originally Posted by Curtis E Carr (Post 7712595)
From FCL.905.TRI:

Well, I never. Every day's a training day. I was obviously given a 'bum steer' in the past. Thanks for that.

Curtis E Carr 24th Feb 2013 18:14

Don't think you were given a bum steer. I'm pretty sure that it was as you described pre-EASA.

Bravo73 24th Feb 2013 18:17


Originally Posted by Helo-Helo (Post 7712658)

For the guys with TR's. NHV has some openings on their website. Captain+ F/Os.
GL

Job Overview

And that link confirms that NHV have recently won a contract to operate out of Wick. Remarkable!

Michel GAY 27th Feb 2013 09:34

News for China work
 
15.02.2013 CAPTAIN / FIRST OFFICER - AW139 HELICOPTER (Macau based)

CAPTAIN - AW139 HELICOPTER (Macau based)
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS:
  • Holder of an unconverted Airline Transport Pilot License (Helicopter) issued by JAR, Hong Kong, Australia or New Zealand.
  • Substantial multi-crew flight experience
  • 2000 hours total flight time
  • 1500 hours helicopter flight time
  • 500 hours PIC Twin Turbine
  • Current helicopter IR
OTHER REQUIREMENTS:
  • Possess sound judgment and decision-making skills
  • Excellent command of spoken and written English
  • Enjoy working in a multi-cultural environment
  • Willing to relocate to Macau
FIRST OFFICER - AW139 HELICOPTER (Macau Based)
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS:
  • Holder of an unconverted Commercial Pilot License (Helicopter) issued by JAR, Hong Kong, Australia or New Zealand and ATPL subjects completed.
  • Multi-engine and multi-crew experience
  • 500 hours PIC on helicopters
  • Current helicopter IR
OTHER REQUIREMENTS:
  • Preference will be given to candidates holding an AW139 endorsement
  • Possess sound judgment and decision-making skills
  • Excellent command of spoken and written English
  • Enjoy working in a multi-cultural environment
  • Willing to relocate to Macau
ADDITIONAL
Applications for Captain and First Officer with a recognized AW139 endorsement will be offered a 3-month salary signing bonus.

Asian experience 27th Feb 2013 12:24

I am new here. But I thought I would post in relation to the above position. I have a friend who recently worked there, and most of what he said was quite negative. The positive points where one you get a 139 type rating, if you have not flown internationally then the experience is good and you get a lot of time on the aircraft. The negative side is they have a lot of pilots leaving every year, roughly my friend said out of 30 pilots, 10 leave per year. The reasons he said were mainly due to money, because where they are based it is getting very expensive with cost of living and the housing subsidy for a single pilot is very low that you cannot afford anything descent. Also he had medical problems and that the company policy does not cover anything near in the medical costs for an international pilot, and they say that they have loss of licence coverage, but he found out that that the company changed the policy and that if they can prove you can do any form of work like sit at an office desk then they will not pay, luckily he is not there anymore.
But saying that if you want a 139 type rating go ahead, you will get lots of time.

Asian exp

gulliBell 28th Feb 2013 00:02

I have worked in the Macau operation. It's a good job. The money is OK. You get to go home every night. Plenty of things to keep you occupied in your off time. However, it is true they have a relatively high pilot turn-over. Not everybody fits their mold. They have quite a few pilots who have been there for 10+ years, others don't get to stay very long for various reasons. The management might seem a bit dysfunctional at times but you can say that about a lot of other operations as well. If you are adaptable and good at keeping your mouth shut then Macau is a worthwhile experience. A little boring flying the same routes all the time, but overall it's a pretty good gig.

212man 28th Feb 2013 10:14


And that link confirms that NHV have recently won a contract to operate out of Wick. Remarkable!
Yes, what's that all about? Will the pax fly in FW?

terminus mos 28th Feb 2013 14:36

Must be to extend the legs of the 155 so it can actually get somewhere.

VFRIFR 28th Feb 2013 14:46

Macau
 
gullibell,

So you should be able to tell us why they only except certain licenses ie., Ozzie and Kiwi ATP mainly. Isn't that discriminatory to the rest of us?

Adroight 28th Feb 2013 17:52

They accept JAR licences too. Perhaps it is for the same reason that I cannot fly in USA without an FAA licence, or South Africa without an SA licence. It is not the operator who dictates licence type but the regulatory authority.

Hot_LZ 28th Feb 2013 19:50

Government Flying Service of Hong Kong all get the JAR/EASA ticket before they then convert to HK license.

GoodGrief 28th Feb 2013 20:10

I think what VFRIFR referred to is the fact that other than JAR Australian and NZ tickets are accepted, but not FAA.

hueyracer 28th Feb 2013 20:15

They also accept FAA-tickets....

gulliBell 1st Mar 2013 06:38


Originally Posted by VFRIFR (Post 7719224)
gullibell,

So you should be able to tell us why they only except certain licenses ie., Ozzie and Kiwi ATP mainly. Isn't that discriminatory to the rest of us?

Not true. You need to present your ICAO recognized aircrew licence to Macau AACM for validation. Once your foreign license is validated you jump through the hoops to get a Macau pilot licence (easy). You also need to present your credentials to HK CAD for assessment. They decide what exams you need to take, then competency check with examiner, then apply for HK license (easy, but not as easy as Macau). Ultimately you need to hold Macau and Hong Kong licenses (because the aircraft have mixed registrations). It doesn't matter squat what your native license is.

GoodGrief 1st Mar 2013 07:43

Point taken.
Why does the add discriminate then? ICAO or FAA specifically not mentioned.

"Holder of an unconverted Airline Transport Pilot License (Helicopter) issued by JAR, Hong Kong, Australia or New Zealand."

gulliBell 1st Mar 2013 10:54

I wouldn't call it discrimination, "preference" is probably a better word. I'm not associated with the Company and I have no idea why they have expressed it the way they have. It might be the case that, historically, applicants with those licenses have negotiated the AACM/HKCAD processes more readily than those who don't. But certainly they have hired pilots with native licenses not mentioned, as well as pilots with less experience than mentioned.

I used to work for them, and I'd go back to work for them if asked. But they haven't asked and nor are they likely to (they tend not to re-hire former staff as a matter of Company policy). So if anybody is considering applying, even if you're slightly underdone on the experience they are looking for, there is no harm in applying. They do have a lot of flexibility who they can hire because they arbitrarily set their own requirements (i.e. they aren't playing to the tune of any clients: remember they hired a whole stack of cadet pilots with zero experience, sent them to Australia and elsewhere to do their CPL and IR, and put them on as co-pilots with probably 150 hours total time).

ka26 1st Mar 2013 13:12

Macau
 
Is there any possibility to be hired as an AW139 copilot without an IR?

gulliBell 1st Mar 2013 13:57

...most unlikely I'm afraid...in my time there I only recall one pilot being hired without an IR, and he had to get his eventually (I can't recall if the Company sponsored him or he paid for it himself). There have probably been others.

I can assure you it gets pretty black over the South China Sea at night, hence why the IR is essential (plus the viz during the day is ****e much of the time due to industrial air pollution which is endemic to the greater Pearl River Delta, and much of China for that matter).

Michel GAY 1st Mar 2013 16:36

Macao
 
Hello everybody I'm intersted by this job but I would like anwsers about this company and the quality of life, the salary and the rest.

i have a CPL IR with the ATPL theorical and more than 700 hrs on offshore.

Do you have some contacts or perhaps someone in this company for me???

Thanks :ok:

DauphinDude 1st Mar 2013 17:21

They can prefer whatever they like. The Hong Kong SAR pilots (GFS) all go to Britain for their training and get their JAR. I suppose it is because of the superior ground studies you have to go through. FAA ticket donīt convert easily to HKCAD. To go to EASA you still need to sit the 14 exams. Almost same thing. It has to do with the historical relationship with Britain.

I know one who was recently employed by them and while you do log a lot of hours, it is not a good career choice. Among the reasons are the inability to log PICUS, and you are not gonna get the bump to command unless you get PIC hours in another country. It is not very well payed either.

400hover 5th Mar 2013 12:00

recruiters
 
I use to see a lot of agencies and recruiters...

I have some doubts about them. If they recruit us for a company, who will our "boss"? The agency or the company?

I have watched Zenon, and they use to have always or most of the time helicopter positions.

If we are recruited by them, what is our bond with them??

hueyracer 5th Mar 2013 13:27

How long have you been in the helicopter business?

These "recruiting agencies" are just sorting out the cvīs-only forwarding the promising ones to the Helicopter company that is looking for pilots....

Thatīs it..
You will be hired by the helicopter company-NOT the recruiting agency.

JAA/FAA Pilot 5th Mar 2013 14:15

As for Zenon and West Africa...Zenon handeld everything from recruiting to negotiating and offering a contract.
According to the contract, they were also in charge to handle the salary once they would receive the funds from the operator :eek: which was the point for me to take another option.
So, there was a lot more than just sorting out CV's.

Adroight 5th Mar 2013 19:33

You must be the only pilot I know who actually received a reply from Zenon.

EESDL 6th Mar 2013 14:35

Blimey - so many jobs!
 
Never seen the media so full of jobs for helos, whether or not you speak German and like to sit at Battersea or want to trail winchman (or winchlady) around the sky? I realise these might not be 'newbie' positions but encouraging news none the less.


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