Alouette II
 

Hello,

I look for Alouette IIs for sale. Anybody out there knows where to find one?

Thanks!!!!:ok:

Where are you based ? 313 or 318 ?

Check your PMs!

Are you looking for a 313?

Nigel

either a 313 or 318. Do you have a source?

Cheers,

Alouette:ok:

There's a 313B in Canada for around $159K and a 318C in Washington state for $300K. Check Barnstormers and TAP. Both Standard Category I believe.

Probably there is one 318 for sale in north italy.. look for Eli Express

Alouette 2
 

I am living in France, and some Alouette 2 are still flying, depending of remaining time on each component you are looking for, My nearby friend owns one, and tries to sell it.
I have a long career on Alouette 313 and 318, and to maintain it is not an easy thing :=, but this machine is very safe and powerful, but greedy in fuel.
Any question don't hesitate.

regards

alain

I have been looking for some technical training notes for the Alouette 2 and for the
Artouste 11 in English or French. If anyone has a set that they do not want or that can be copied please contact me. Actually any language would be ok!!!

Regards EF

pm sent eric

al2 3130
 

hi

I have an al2 313B

Currently HA Reg

HA-IDL

700+ hrs remaining - fresh Annual all ad's SB;s etc up to date (of course) - no accident history -

Maintained in UK by UK licensed engineer under Hungarian Operator

very Reliable machine

IN Army Green - with recent avionics, radios, Mode 'S' etc

come visit, have a fly - see if an AL2 suits you

I think these are Great Helicopters (I have 2 x 318's as well)

Ian

07970 015997

documents
 

hi

I have full set of all documents, all upto date (current revision) for both 313B and 318c

Maintenance manual, IPC, Tools, AD's, SB's engine manuals etc etc

how can I help

you are welcome to visit (eastbourne)

pleased to help

Ian

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8416/8...5f473684_b.jpg
Enstrom Pilot's Sud-Est SE3130 Alouette II HA-IDL as seen at Goodwood on 15th October 2006 (Photo: Andrew Scott)

And very nice she looks too EP! Bravo!

Eric: Looks like you're off to Eastbourne to do some photocopying! You should take VFR440 with you as he wanted to check-out a prospective instructional airframe.

EP: Do you think there is a market to offer your craft for hire with an instructor so that those wishing to encounter something a little different could come drive her around for a couple of hours? Ie. an 'Alouette Experience"!

Now that is a nice photograph.

alooette to trail fly
 

hi

Savoia

nice Idea, I am sure other pilots would be pleased to fly an hr or two, spread the word !

Instructors are few and far between - it MAY be possible for somebody like Tim Price to do so - he is local (ish) to me (has an FAA instructor ticket so may be OK ?) - or Loen Smith at Booker

If trail flight is considered 'instruction' may need a TRTO (or EASA Equivalent )?

As Ha-IDL (313b) is Annex II there may be issues on training in non EASA aircraft ???

But I do have HA-WKS and HA-WKZ - both EASA 318c (later version) that could serve. All have great hrs remaining and fully serviceable (of course).

keeping all 3 machine serviceable is a bit silly for just my personal flying, its a long story how it happened, may sell one, but not very committed to do so.

I would be more than happy for others to experience the machine, costs could be modest

Al2's have loads of power, loads of lift, loads of endurance (318c good for 4 hrs ? - 100 nmile range - are very low work load to fly, have great reserve for auto's etc

These machines a re a bit of a relic, but they are SO viable and still hold there own against younger designs. nothing gets close for operating costs, more R22 territory than, say, Jet box money, set against R44 - al2 compares very well.

And the 313b engine (particularly) make just the best noises ! - a smile on your face every time the 'autostart' fires up the big noisy thing above the BIG fuel tank !

Thanks for the pic

Ian

That's good information!!!!:ok: I will send a pm!!!!

Cheers,

Alouette

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Alouette II G-AWFY by egbjdh, on Flickr

B.E.A.S Alouette 2, had a colour change when Dollar operated it.

I can understand the commercial reasons for Eurocopter wanting to put this familly of aircraft to the sword but I for one will really miss them when they are gone.

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Alouette II G-AWAP by egbjdh, on Flickr

A very sad end for this aircraft

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Alouette III G-AWXG by egbjdh, on Flickr

Big brother


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Alouette II G-BBJE by egbjdh, on Flickr


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Alouette II G-AVEE by egbjdh, on Flickr

Hi Ian,

This is fascinating! How are you able to operate them so inexpensively? Is it that they just don't require a lot of maintenance and parts? No doubt they do drink a lot of juice?

Is there anywhere to put bags?

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" Is there anywhere to put bags? "

You must use the place as for Lama

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8415/8...0f3d1eec_b.jpg

Can you see nets by fuel tank? this is where you can put the baggage - only ask pilot not to fly in rain.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8260/8...1ab34936_b.jpg

If you are operating Alouette II, then know if you need the Lama can lift you!

(Lama soulève Alouette II, janvier 1972)

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2013-05-12 (37) by ericferret, on Flickr

Another UK Alouette, I believe this was the aircraft in which the French pilot Gilbert Chomat was killed filming "Darling Lily" A mid air collision with a replica SE5 in Ireland.

enstrompilot
4 hrs endurance and 100 nmile range. That's slow going.

I think it's a little better than that! Try 3.5 hours at 90KTs = a little better than 300NM+ range for the 313. A little more for the 318. It's a great machine!!

@Rotorgoat8 You are a bit optimistic for the 313:=
As far as I remember:
Fuel 580 Liters
SE 313: 220 Liter/hour makes 2.5 hours (no reserve)
SA 318: 140 Liter/hour makes 4.1 hours (no reserve)

Happy landings
Spencer17
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Do you like to read of worlds first turbine power helicopter?

Machat M, Jun-2006. Jaunty Alouette - Story of the Revolutionary Sud Alouette II, World's First Production Jet Helicopter, Wings Vol. 36 No. 6

@spencer17
For the sake of my pocketbook I hope you're conservative on the 3130. If the FAA ever approves my Exp/Exh Airworthiness Cert I'll pass on my actual fuel burns. My FM shows usable 148 Gal. and 45.6 G per hour at max pitch of 14 1/2 with the Gov. back to 33,000 = 92 Knots. That puts it 3.25 hours until you're dry. The FM shows of the 580 liters only 555 usable.

BTW - ALL input is appreciated. There's no better teacher than experience!

The alouette's i fly now :

SA 313 : 180 l/h and 80 kts (nearly....)

SA 318 : 120 l/h and nearly 90 kts.... more than 4 hours...full tank and 2 people on board :ok:

Great to see the Alouette II still gainfully employed:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2881/9...59f1c462_b.jpg
SA318C Alouette II HA-PPB in Dudar, Hungary on 19th July 2013 (Photo: Ocsovai Gergely)

Seen here spraying sunflowers.

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Savoia : :ok:

Very nice picture !

.

Nice picture indeed, that brings back nice memories too !.....the "318" Alouette is a "baby Lama":)

But I've always been told that it was useless to fit spray booms with a larger span than the rotor diameter....(probably because of a negative effect of the turbulent downwash at the rotor tip ? )

Alouette 2 parts
 

I am looking for an ignition exciter for my Alouette 2 .........

in general I am looking for parts from time to time and have never found a good source

Any suggestions?

I have one

bill (at)gazelle-helicopter.co.uk or send me a pm

Alouette 2
 

Hi all,

on the scrounge for information.
Anything in particular but more specifically;

Running costs,
Maintenance, who has parts, average costs for main components etc.
Paper work, Permit to fly info, country of reg.
Typical insurance costs or examples from Haywoods etc.
Type ratings, where, UK? training in general.

So more or less everything or anything will be greatly received.



Thanks in advance.

PM me your mobile and I'll put you in touch with a guy who knows all and owns one. There is quite a lot you need to know before purchasing one!

Is your Gazelle fitted with a sliding door? Never seen that before.

I've got one with a big sliding camera window it was a mod carried out stateside

Steve

allouette
 

hi
I have 3 of these
2 x 318c and 1 x 313B

318c first

318c is a EASA type and thus they are full CofA (one mid life TBO's one near full tbo (all new bits))
reg in Hungary (but could be Reg in UK easily)
maintenance is straight forward but best if experienced engineer, there are several in UK (rota span - midlands, HFI Cambridge, Steve PR rugby)
as mine are HU reg they operate under an Hungarian AOC (though I don't do commercial work).
Steve PR is part of the AOC holder and thus able to carry out all the required maintenance work - as he is UK based this is all very easy
Steve is a great engineer, loads of experience (enstrom and AL2), knows the machines/type well
he has all the special tools, manuals etc etc
they is also a french chap with yr (and yrs) of allouette and Lama experience, knows them inside out
spares, plenty of them about (some parts hard to get) most are reasonably priced (if any heli part ever is) - tail rotor blades are tricky as are Tail heads *
most parts have big TBO and most make time
Engines are VERY VERY costly, and hard to find, but are very robust
318C has a azastou 2a2 (smaller Gazell engine) of some 580 HP, fuel burn can be as low as 120 ltr/hr at cruise (tank is 560 Ltrs)
VNE is 105 (possible 2 up and mid fuel load) but generally cruses is 95-100 kts
pilot and 4 pax (with reduced fuel even so some 2+ hrs endurance
insurance - via the AOC i pay £900 - third party per year
training, Leon Smith (booker) is a great guy can train only on EASA aircraft (so 318c), 10 hrs ground school, 5-15 hr type conversion - may not be possible abinitio (leon can advise)

these are Very good cruising machine, very affordable to fly and own

313B (was 3130 with some upgrades)
Annex 2, on Hu Reg works (can be UK reg esily), if HU reg needs UK CAA permission to fly in UK airspace
1500 upgraded to 1650 Kg MTOW
vne 100K, cruise 90K
fuel burn 160-180 ltr/hr (regulaly 180 ltrs)
pilot and 4 pax
less endurance/range as higher fuel burn
VERY Very robust engine
earlier tail rotor head, tbo 400 hrs, but unless plenty of greese every day and 'service/inspection at 200hrs' these are known not to make TBO - overhauled part is tricky to find and expensive *
engines are VERY VERY costly but they are more of these around
TBO are large, a mid time machine will see any of us beyond our flying

again the UK maintenance orgs can do the mantenance work

training, tricky as Annex 2, Hu reg, if on UK the CAA could give dispensation for type convertion, as on Hg reg, machine could be moved to HU land, and trainign done there, then added to UK EASA PPL (H) but needs agreeemnt by UK CAA, best would be to borrow a 318c, do the flying, as the type rating covers both types (currently)

as these are HU reg machine the opperator (kobo coop, Gyor, hungary) and the HU caa inspector visit each annual to 'renew' the CofA.

they are particularly hot on hose dates, seat belts, parts tracking, anual test flight reports etc - in general they are very thorough.

the 313B feels a little more robust/stable/solid but higher fuel/lower endurance/slower - but much cheaper to buy (£90-£120K) vat ?

the 318C is the first choice, the extra speed is noticable, the extra endurance/lower fuel burn is noticable (eastbourne - birmingham return on 300 ltrs) mostly at 100kts + (as 1 up often) - to buy one ? - some times available at £140K plus

I have recently had some very long delays (and one machine grounded after expiry of CofA) whilst he HU caa establish (new to them) EASA approved proceedures. this has been painful. but no is resolved. I have been temped to move the machine to the UK reg, UK CAA very helpful, I think it would be straigt forward - this is work in progress. - the upside will be local regulation and advice - the down side is probably higher cost insurance.

the insurance is part of a block policy, underwritten by a major EU company, individual insurance though UK broker may be more like £3K (third party)

*parts

I have stocks of key parts and big stocks of many small parts, 4+ other owners have stocks of parts, and several 'dealer' in EU, USA, SA etc have stocks, generally parts are 30-50% of the cost competative 4-5 seat turbine machines

there are a few machine in UK, 3 x 313B's and 3+ 318c's, chat to HFI or Rota Span for another view, Steve PR can also help

if you are interested to know more and perhaps come for a flight (i do eastbourne Birmigham regularly (not recently with this ****ty weather), contact and come visit - kettle is on

I hope this helps

Ian

PS lots of talk of noisy 'device to turn good Keroseen into noise ' - reasonably quite in the cab at flight speed - good basis DC headsets work, but VERY VERY reliable engine - so a trade off - when isnt that the case with aviation

Alouette II parts - Rotor tip
 

Iain,

I have an SE 3130 Alu II. I am trying to get hold of one rotor blade tip as I damaged one moving into the hangar. Any help you can offer me on this part wo9uld be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Andy

hi

sorry for the delay in replying, just learned to log on !

please call me

07970 015997 for a chat

I have what you need, and can help

Ian

I'm looking for something that can do our Rally next year, non-commercial but 'vintage'. Anyone have any experience of reliablility/running costs?

Also, connected to the first question, 19 countries in 6 weeks with no 'useful' external support... How is that likely to work out?