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Somebody did give him a pretty smart a** response. Remember?
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Which side?
My understanding is that the PIC always sits on the side of the advancing blade. Of course there may well be configurations which discount this explanation.
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Unless you're French.
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Simple question
Hope you fellas will bear with me as I'm not an aviator - purely an aviation enthusiast. I've often wondered why in a (commercial) fixed wing a/c the PIC always has the LH seat whereas in a helo the opposite is true. Is there any particular reason? Is it historical? Traditional? Any ideas?
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Except in the Hughes/Schweizer 300 series and I believe MD 500 as well where the PIC is in the left seat.
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Mmm ...
This has been covered in the past try using the search function .... :E BTW the 'original' Hu 369 .... the Military OH6, the pilot in fact sat on the RHS of the cockpit .. when the Hu 369 series 'The 500' was put into commercial production Hughes put the pilot on the LHS so as to allow for a third seat in the front of the a/c. |
Originally Posted by spinwing
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Mmm ...
This has been covered in the past try using the search function .... :E http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/4212...ml#post5812941 |
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Which seat?
You may have explained this before, if so I missed it, and apologise, but why do helicopter jockeys, and co- jockeys , sit in the opposite seats to fixed wings.I can understand it on a Belvedere cos that gives the boss the slidey door on the way out
if (when) things go wrong. |
Tis because we are "bigger" than airplane pilots and therefore "dress" to the right.... (sorry, could not resist...)
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Hi Olly
Eng here NOT pilot, so more than ready to accept correction. My understanding is that in (most) helicopters the accepted best position is P1 on the RHS, so that ccollective operation is never restricted by interference with the door. One's hand that is. The Hughes 500 is the exception to this convention, as indeed the Hiller 12 E was. (On the centreline of the aircraft - good for crop work so I was told) However there may well be more informed comment from those who know MUCH more than I do!! - VFR |
They don't - necessarily.
Helicopter pic seat can be on the l/h/s or the r/h/s depending on the specific model. |
also, sitting on the right allows for better access to the panel with your left hand, while your right is controlling the cyclic.
for this reason, I truly dont understand why any helicopters would be left seat pic, as this would only make it more difficult to change freqs and altimeter settings with your left hand. |
as this would only make it more difficult to change freqs and altimeter settings with your left hand. Cheers Whirls |
either hold the cyclic with your left hand |
ShyT, I can't hover and change frequencies with either hand from any seat - I need a co-pilot for that. :p Or I put it down, change, and lift again. Or tell ATC I cannot comply just yet. :)
Cheers Whirls |
Rotorwash:
also, sitting on the right allows for better access to the panel with your left hand, while your right is controlling the cyclic. for this reason, I truly dont understand why any helicopters would be left seat pic, as this would only make it more difficult to change freqs and altimeter settings with your left hand. As for the radios, mine are wired to the cooley hats on the cyclic to allow me to cycle through all the pre-programmed frequencies. What is an altimeter--most if not all utility operations are conducted low level and no need for one. Aside form all the above, I am able to remove my hand form the cyclic and collective for at least 5 seconds before there is any creep, tis all about having it track & balanced correctly. |
Or I put it down, change, and lift again. Or tell ATC I cannot comply just yet. (LHR at night can be fun when single pilot). |
I am guessing you do not work in the utility field. It is easier to hang out the left door and look straight down than the right. In our Huey and 212 we have the paperwork to fly from the left. There is even an STC for the 206 series to allow you to fly from the left seat. As for the radios, mine are wired to the cooley hats on the cyclic to allow me to cycle through all the pre-programmed frequencies. What is an altimeter--most if not all utility operations are conducted low level and no need for one. Aside form all the above, I am able to remove my hand form the cyclic and collective for at least 5 seconds before there is any creep, tis all about having it track & balanced correctly. I hadn't though of sling loading, certainly makes sense to lean out the left side. If you werent slinging, would you prefer the right seat, or would it make any difference at all? |
Rotorwashed:
If you werent slinging, would you prefer the right seat, or would it make any difference at all? |
The Bo105 air restart procedure involves hanging on to the cyclic with your knees, while mucking about with starters and throttles with both hands. Just for interest :)
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I hate to admit this we used to fly Schwiezer 333 from LHS stopped the observers from playing with the collective
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Why righthand seat for captain
Just out of curiosity, why is the helicopter pilot normally on the right hand side instead of the aircraft normal left hand seat for captain. Plus do the air ambulances have duel controls
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Winch and door on RHS.
What is "duel control", is it where collective fights cyclic to the death at 10 paces? ;);););) |
Instrument panel is operated with the left hand from the right seat, which means the cyclic remains controlled.
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As Tim said.
Helicopters are dynamically unstable, and 99% do not have an autopilot, so the driver must hold the cyclic at all times. The collective can be frictioned to stay where it is, which means the left hand is available to change radio frequencies, move heading bugs, scratch yourself. When flying from the left seat, it is a PITA to keep swapping hands to change the radio or punch the student.:eek: |
Many helicopters are operated from the left seat... the 500 series, also many aircraft have provisions for long lining from the left.
I also flew Astars with the left seat conversion. |
Why? because they are - I'm sure the usual "I know everything and if not; I'm going to tell you anyway because" will be along soon to tell everybody.
Sorry day off and the sauce is flowing. |
Why righthand seat for captain
Something to do with the direction of rotation of the main rotor?
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Something that could be found in seconds - and probably ten time over - by using the search function...
This topic has been done to death so, so many times already. |
Because the "Island" on an aircraft carrier is on the starboard side...........simples...................try doing it from the other seat, at night and in bad weather and you will know why we do it this way round!!
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Mil spec for helicopters, Right seat PIC. Manufactured that way,:ugh:
hiller H 12 center, Bell 47 J center:rolleyes: Hughes 300, Hughes 500 left seat,:eek: Per FARs it's where the pilot can reach the switches.:D |
Time For An Argument!
Why do Helicopter Pilots sit in the Right Hand Seat....and why is the Right Hand Seat thought to be the Pilot's Seat and the Left the Co-Pilots Seat?
Does it matter which side is which? Why do helicopter pilots sit in the right seat? | Need to Know | Air & Space Magazine |
The manufacturer assigns the Pilots seat, some manufactures allow the pilot to be in either seat (EC120)
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Because You CAN :E ;) :eek:
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In most Russian helicopters the captain flies it from the left hand seat.
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47, 269, 369, 480, 280, 130 all from the Left :ooh:
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Depends if you have a bench seat across the front for three. Too hard to have the collective in the middle of the passenger's legs, so bung the pilot on the left where the lever is out of the way.
Otherwise, go back and read all the previous comments. |
woaw...10 page and no one be sure why left or right seat for the pilot.....
But we are Helicopter pilot.... not disabled wings pilot..... We can do ! that's all :) |
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