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-x-elz-x- 5th Nov 2010 14:24

Just a few words
 
Where do i start... AJ was one in a million as i think everyone would agree. He always came into the office with a smile from ear to ear ready to tell some kind of amusing story. I never got to fly with AJ but i got to meet him many of times and i feel so happy to have known him, even if it was only for a short time. I will remember that smile, accent, bum bag :) and great sense of humour. You will never be forgotten, in my heart always and forever AJ -x-

Rolandpitch. 5th Nov 2010 18:02

A good friend who will be sorely missed. Can't believe how much money I put in that fruit machine with him in NI. One less of us northerners to keep the rest of you in line! My thoughts are with you and the family Ang

ATCO Two 5th Nov 2010 18:20

Sincere condolences from all the guys and girls on Heathrow Radar/SVFR 125.625 at Terminal Control Swanwick. AJ was a regular customer of ours, and he was always professional and cheerful on the RTF.

errrolplane 5th Nov 2010 20:57

test
 
tribute to AJ to follow. Lost the original.

fisbangwollop 5th Nov 2010 21:19

We spoke in the past on AJ's forrays into Scotland...as all of you rotary guys are, he to was a pleasure to talk to....Condolences from all at Scottish Info 119.875. :cool:

heliboy999 6th Nov 2010 00:22

Really nice to hear from the ATC guys, nice to know they recognise the voices and remember.
Thanks for all you do.

HB999

heliboy999 6th Nov 2010 00:36

As a new pilot with a company operating a pleasure flying event AJ was asked by the boss to "check me out" before the days flying started.
"Ah ooop mucka" "get yerself in and wait fer me"
Got the 206 fired up and waited for AJ to wander out to the aircraft and climb in.
"Right, my aircraft!" says AJ who then preceeded to accerate backwards down the FATO (No PAX before you all jump on in) before climbing away still backwards and then Max rate climb up to 1000 feet. Torque turn at 1500 feet filled the windscreen with green fields and a 360 auto to a perfect touch down to the words "Dont ever let me see you do do that with passengers on and you will be alright lol"
When we landed on at the entrance to the event the line was already full of passengers waiting to go on a helicopter that does aerobatics but sadly had to put up with my round the circuit flights instead!

One of the most exciting flights ive ever had in a helicopter to this day!

newfieboy 6th Nov 2010 00:40

RIP mate, been following this thread from day 1, was just going to keep the memories to my self, but bloody hell, even left an impression on ATC, why am I not suprised.....the odd time we crossed paths in a previous career.....you certainly left an impression on me and I was a tad of a hooligan in them days. Very deepest condolances Ange and family, we never met, but your Man was a star...:ok:

richmaddison 7th Nov 2010 19:13

A J
 
Angie and family,

Sally and I are really sorry for your loss and our thoughts are with you all at this time. You were both good friends to us in Germany and I learnt a huge amount from AJ, during that time and throughout the years afterwards when we served together. He was someone you could always trust to give you a straight opinion and that kind of honesty is sadly not always present these days. He was perhaps the one pilot out there who only had to say he callsign before everyone that knew him would be telling everyone that didn't about him. 'Hear that voice - that's AJ'.

Rich and Sally Maddison

errrolplane 7th Nov 2010 19:42

A second attempt; AJ would be amused.

I met AJ 40 years ago on the Pre Army Pilots Technical Refresher Course at Tidworth. I recall a tall, skinny, good looking guy who had a Burnley accent that could crack a walnut at 30 yards. As I didn’t know one end of an engine from the other AJ took pity on me and took me under his wing. “Look it’s easy” he would say “suck, squeeze, bang, blow” interspersed with some fab adjectives. We went on to Middle Wallop, I can’t remember if his course was ahead or behind mine. He soon had everyone taking note of his undoubted skills when, on a solo low level nav ex flying a Sioux, he had a turbo charger failure which he handled so well. At that stage of our training it would have creased most of us. At the end of it all we were both posted to 1 Regt AAC in Germany.

AJ was never happier than when he was either flying or head down in some engine compartment; a private car or LandRover or was all the same to AJ. On one occasion we were snowed in and the snow plough was broke. Well it was til AJ arrived. When he had fixed it he walked away covered in grease and oil muttering “VM’s nowadays don’t know ****e”. The other thing concentrating his mind was the blossoming romance with Angie. He would have us in fits about how on earth he was going to impress her father who was a senior officer in a smart Infantry Regiment. Still he must have found the right words.

My wife’s family lived in Essen about 2 hours away from base and they had offered me some good furniture and carpets. I was moaning to AJ about how was I going to collect it. A few days later he said “ we’ll go tonight to pick it up” “What in” I stupidly asked. “In that “ he replied pointing to a 3 ton truck. “ Don’t ask just get in”. It took several hours but his generosity was uncondiotional. I never did ask.

Our paths divereged and we next meet at Wallop when he was now a QHI and I was on a course. I used to bum coffee off them rather hoping that AJ would be out and I could monopolise Angie for a few hours – fat chance. One morning I remarked that my old VW Beetle was knackered. His eyes lit up “bring it t’garage we’ll have a look”. He took the engine out, stripped it down, we got spare bits, he put it back together again and it didn’t work. “Reet then we’ll try again” and he did it again. At the end of it he said “you’re wrong its not knackered, its f****d”.

I was lucky to get to look after 655 Sqn at Ballykelly and was blessed with some of the best that the AAC had on its books so when AJ, sorry WO AJ Smith arrived as our QHI the jigsaw was complete. All I had to do was turn up and answer the phone, AJ constantly reminded me I needed help to do that. We shared a love of fishing and he would find great places to go. We were fishing a newly found river when a strong gust of wind lifted my very expensive umberella into the air and it landed in the river and sank. AJ asked if I had a towel in the car. He stripped to his underpants and in he went. Having recovered it he stood there soaking wet and shivering asking for the towel. I said I didn’t have one. I lied, but it was the best 5 minute AJ rant I have ever heard. I still have the umberella and when I use it I always recall AJ up to his neck in that river.

Now we in 655 Sqn know that it ws AJ that first rolled the Gazelle. He told me that if the aircraft was in the vertical plane then it was easy to roll it. He said he was working on getting it flatter. I didn’t believe him. Then came the Ballykelly open day. We had many assembled dignitaries including our CO who was ex Boscombe Down. John D gave an excellent Lynx demo then in came AJ. As he finished the roll there were gasps all around mine being the loudest. The CO said that it couldn’t be done and with that AJ did a split arse turn came in and did it again. My wife still remembers the day that AJ rolled the Gazelle. The phone calls the next day were interesting.

The AAC then made, in my opinion a major error by not granting AJ a commission. I thought he would be outstanding in our standards team; so our loss was the RAF’s gain. We kept in touch and I next met him when I was in Maastricht and he was now a Pilot Officer at RAF Gutersloh. He invited me to a mess kit do in the mess. I wondered wether he would no longer be AJ, but Tony or even worse Anthony! I should not have wondered because he had not changed a bit. He and Angie fitted into his new life with ease. “It’s alright here” he said “but I don’t get on with those Harrier t*****s” He was also still taking 30 minutes to tell you why he shouldn’t do a 2 minute job.

Sadly our paths diverged as I left the military and I couldn’t track him down, but it wasn’t due to a lack of trying. I had heard he was flying Hercules, then Poilce helicopters then corporate work; the trail went cold. That is until one Sunday morning I was reading the papers and there was an article written by someone famous as to the joys of having enough wealth to hire a helicopter especially when the pilot was a no nonsense Lancashire lad called Captain Tony Smith. Well the rest was easy. We tried to meet up but his and my rosters did not jive. We spoke a lot and agreed to meet when we could. Sadly that is no longer going to happen.

He was a good friend. He could be infuriating when using the AJ logic in a discussion or usually an argument, but I will always remember him as a gentle and generous man. I will miss him.

Angie, it was good to talk the other day.

Mark B

Savoia 7th Nov 2010 20:10

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What a wonderfully composed and utterly sincere missive.

S.

long box 10th Nov 2010 08:54

As many of you have seen, we are putting together a book for Angies and the family, we really need some more pictures if any of you have some, any pictures will do, would be really appreciated.

diginagain 10th Nov 2010 11:23

I wonder if 669 still have AJ's gift on leaving the squadron - a Bill Tidy cartoon, ISTR, of an instructor bellowing 'Gently, GENTLY!' at the hapless student, who is struggling to control the helicopter whilst wearing boxing gloves.

AJ gave me my first cabby, as an Airtrooper with ambition - but nothing like the talent AJ had - and only managed to get me to relax at the controls by having me hold a pencil in my right-middle finger, imposing pressure on the backs of the index and ring fingers when I tensed-up. Simple and very effective.

A long time ago perhaps, but AJ's generosity, even to a 'dumb Yorkshireman' as he put it, has never been forgotten.

Machen Wir Crookie 12th Nov 2010 11:04

AJ
 
I knew AJ at 669 Sqn. I remember the night he presented the Bill Tidy cartoon very well. AJ was much admired by everyone in the Squadron and the shiny nine. It's very sad news and my heart goes out to everyone who knew him but especially to his loved ones.

Martyn

MightyGem 16th Nov 2010 21:12

Just received this from AAC HQ:

Ladies and Gentlemen

Further to the notice sent below I have just been informed that Anthony Smith’s funeral will take place on Thursday 25 November at 1530 at Amersham Crematorium and all are welcome to attend. This is all the information currently available.

Henry09 17th Nov 2010 13:16

errrolplane


Mark

I just p****d myself laughing about the umbrella. Classic classic AJ. That one should be told at the funeral. Take the umbrella chap!

I was thinking about contributing something for the book, then realised I could just write a book. That is the funny thing. With most guys who pass away we all have a few dits to tell, but with AJ most of us could write our own book!

Check pm's.

EESDL 17th Nov 2010 13:58

Unable to make the 25th to say 'goodbye' in person but I'll be raising a class of local Ghanaian hooch in his name!

kitsch 18th Nov 2010 14:39

AJ's Funeral
 
Hi this is Angies brother Andrew.
AJ's Funeral is on Thursday November 25th at Chilterns Creamatorium, Hampden Chapel, Whielden Lane, Amersham, HP70ND. All friends are welcome. There will be a wake afterwards in Dinton, BUCKS. No flowers please donations to the Royal British Legion. I look forwards to meeting all of you.

Hedski 18th Nov 2010 21:59

I'll not be back in the UK in time to give my condolences in person. I'll raise a glass though.
H

Thud_and_Blunder 19th Nov 2010 20:51

I'll be seeing the Bolkow through its last days on Northern Lighthouse Board duties that day so sadly won't be able to attend. However, will quietly sip a Diet Coke that evening, as AJ and I were wont to do during our thrill-packed(!) Norway recce trip, and remember a unique character.

MOSTAFA 20th Nov 2010 00:26

I'm in Adelaide but at the time prescribed I'll raise a glass.

Till we all meet again mate, Rest in Peace.

AJfamily 20th Nov 2010 11:39

Dress Code AJ's funeral
 
Want to thank you all again for the many stories and pictures posted on this blog by you all.
Dress code for the funeral: colour! When I first met Tony he was wearing an orange Ben Sherman shirt with purple /mauve hipster jeans and it has taken me nearly 38 years to tone him down!............... Thursday however is his day so feel free to express yourselves on the colour front. Will see all of you there. thanks Angie (AJ's wife)

idle stop 21st Nov 2010 11:04

I shall be away abroad and unable to attend, but I shall find time to pause for AJ's memory and to think of his family, and later to raise a glass or two in celebration of a great character, who will be greatly missed by the GA helicopter community.

beckham457 21st Nov 2010 21:18

AJ's Funeral
 
I am sorry I will be unable to make Tony's funeral. My thoughts will be with his wife, his children all of his family and friends.
Our days at Soltau were a long time ago, but at least he did what he loved right to the end.

Captain Tercrew 23rd Nov 2010 17:12

Such sad news
 
When I heard of the crash in the Mournes, I was shocked when the name was released. I knew AJ from about 1983 when I was a sprog QHI on Advanced Rotary at Wallop. Always a consummate professional with a sharp wit and a quick putdown to idiots, but a man who was always approachable by those he taught. No-one who ever heard him on the RT ever needed to hear his callsign to know it was him. A very sad loss to aviation, I'm not able to make the funeral but will raise a glass in his memory.

liverpoolstreet 24th Nov 2010 19:55

Fairwell to a True Gentleman
 
Dear Angie

So sorry to hear of your loss. AJ constantly berated my engineers throughout all my tours with him from Odiham to NI; he could blow a fuse like no other. His charm and manners enabled this great man to deliver the most profound put down in the kindest way. No matter how hard the tasking or foul the weather, he reminded us all of the importance of humour and manners. We shall all miss him.

AussieAndy 25th Nov 2010 13:43

AJ's Day...
 
My thoughts are with everyone today especially AJ's family...

Rest in Peace AJ and well done for your 10 page thread, you are clearly loved and now missed by many...

sycamore 25th Nov 2010 18:10

And The Lord cried out in vain....

"Who's got the remote ? "

OvertHawk 26th Nov 2010 13:52

"never mind t't remowt - ow' many hours av' ye got on NVG?"

heliski22 26th Nov 2010 17:00

I hope you all gave him a proper send-off!!

heliboy999 27th Nov 2010 01:08

AJ was sent off by many, there was standing room only!
There was lots laughing and lots of tears.
There were sections read aloud in the Crem from this very thread and it seems to have brought great comfort to the family to have read about their beloved AJ!
The music ranged from Classical through "The Dam busters" and finished with "Those magnificent men in their flying machines" which had the desired effect of bringing a smile!
AJ was sent along his way with a Pork pie and a custard tart!

Take care AJ.

heliboy999 30th Nov 2010 22:16

Saw this today, It seems that Our respect for the privicy of AJ's family and loved ones before his name was "officially" released lead some to read deeper into the silence than was actually needed.

At least the got "The Legend" bit right.

SECRECY SURROUNDING MYSTERY HELICOPTER CRASH IN IRELAND : Infowars Ireland

heliboy999 7th Sep 2011 20:41

Almost a year since that terrible day.
Does anyone have the exact co-ordinates of the crash site? i am looking to walk the Mourne mountains later this year and I was hoping to lay something at the site. Maybe make a little rockpile and leave something to mark the site in rememberance?



HB999

SilsoeSid 3rd Oct 2011 16:39

Prince Charles' friend 'killed in helicopter crash after engine trouble' - Telegraph



Prince Charles' friend 'killed in helicopter crash after engine trouble'
A helicopter which crashed killing three men, one a friend of the Prince of Wales, was suffering engine trouble, an inquest heard.

4:33PM BST 03 Oct 2011


Residents also said it seemed to be flying low before it hit the ground in the Mourne Mountains, Co Down, a year ago.

The prince's friend Charles Stisted, 47, chief executive of the Guards Polo Club at Windsor, was a passenger on the flight which was on its way back to England after the men attended a shooting party at an estate in Co Tyrone.

Construction company businessman and fellow polo player Ian Wooldridge, 52, and pilot Anthony Smith, 63, formerly of the RAF and army with service in Northern Ireland, also died.

A preliminary hearing was held at Belfast coroner's court today.

Coroner John Leckey summarised some of the evidence from residents near the crash site.

"The engine of the helicopter perhaps did not seem to be running smoothly and also seemed to be flying low," he said.

"As we know, the helicopter really disintegrated following the impact with the mountain."

An inquest will be held before a jury in February following the accident, which happened after a shooting session at the Baronscourt estate on the outskirts of Newtownstewart, 10 miles from Omagh, the home of the Duke of Abercorn.

Specialist units were deployed to work on the crash site, as debris from the helicopter was scattered across Shanlieve Mountain, between Hilltown and Rostrevor.

Mr Wooldridge, from Windlesham, Surrey, was also a member of the Guards Polo Club.

With his brother Graham, he ran a multi-million pound demolition and construction company and was a prominent figure in Dublin-based Harcourt Developments, a property company involved in the development of the Titanic Quarter in Belfast.

Mr Stisted was from London and Mr Smith from Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.

The inquest is expected to take a week and the jury will listen to two residents, who described hearing the engine and noticing the apparently low flight. They have already made witness statements.

It will also take evidence from a pathologist who examined the men's bodies and up to five experts from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB).

There will also be technical evidence about where the helicopter came down and from what height, barrister Jonathan Chambers for the pilot liability insurers said.

Four hill walkers who assisted in going to the scene of the crash site will also testify, the coroner said.

It was revealed by the coroner that one man who was member of the shooting party at Baronscourt and the last to see the three men in alive, declined to take a lift back to England as he had a social engagement in Co Donegal in the Irish Republic.

Witnesses from St Angelo airfield in Enniskillen, Co.Fermanagh, where the helicopter departed, will give evidence as well as police who recovered the bodies.

The AAIB report on the accident will be published in mid-November. A draft copy has already been completed.

Relatives of Mr Wooldridge and Mr Stisted were present in court today.

Prince Charles' friend 'killed in helicopter crash after engine trouble' - Telegraph

verticalhold 4th Oct 2011 07:32

Oh thats all right then....... The coroner and media have all the right answers.

When will someone point out to coroners that staying quiet might be a good idea, and that you rarely hear a helicopte's engine, the noise is mostly from the main and tail rotors.

Makes me seethe :mad:

ShyTorque 4th Oct 2011 09:03


"The engine of the helicopter perhaps did not seem to be running smoothly"
Was that the number one engine, number two engine, or both engines?

Wonder what it was, bad magneto or duff spark plug, carb icing....? :rolleyes:

Helinut 4th Oct 2011 09:35

Coroners and their courts are competent to do what they should do: which is determine the "cause of death" i.e. unlawful killing, accident, suicide etc. In those terms there is little doubt about this accident.

Their views about technical matters in specialist areas (such as the cause of an aviation accident) aren't worth much. With respect, they don't know what they are talking about and don't usually have suitable advisers. The AAIB guys/gals will of course be closer to the truth, but they may not have finished their investigation yet.

From what I recall of the wreckage, there may not be much physical evidence for the AAIB to get their teeth into.

It is a modern mistake to misunderstand what a coroner's court is for, largely perpetrated by the media.

ShyTorque 4th Oct 2011 11:03


It is a modern mistake to misunderstand what a coroner's court is for, largely perpetrated by the media.
I fully understand what a coroner's court does.

I was, however, surprised that the coroner made such a statement about "the" engine for the media to report, prior to the release of the AAIB report.

Obviously, the A109 helicopter has two engines and is capable of flying on one. A "straightforward" single engine failure does not fit in with the circumstances of this accident.

Hopefully the AAIB report will shed some light on this tragedy.

Capetonian 4th Oct 2011 11:55

I recall reading about this crash last year. At the time it was 'just another' helicopter accident and had no more meaning than any other.

10 days ago I drove through the Morne Mountains, admired the scenery, stopped for tea, chatted with some locals near Hilltown, and then headed back to Aldergrove for an afternoon flight. What a beautiful part of the world and how sad to read this.

My condolences to all.

Telstar 10th Nov 2011 06:41

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...NR%2011-11.pdf


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