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fisbangwollop 1st Jun 2010 12:49

R44 down "Loch Long"
 
Pilot safe and well.......best wishes for a quick recovery....get back flying soon.:cool::cool::cool:

pitot212 1st Jun 2010 13:49

Helicopter crashes into Loch Long as pilot searches for missing boat - The Daily Record


Helicopter crashes into Loch Long as pilot searches for missing boat
Jun 1 2010
A PILOT has escaped serious injury after his helicopter crashed into a loch while he was searching for his missing cabin cruiser.
The boat had allegedly been taken from its mooring near Ardgartan on Loch Long in Argyll during the night by someone staying at a nearby campsite.
Its owner went up in his helicopter to look for his boat but was forced to ditch in the water at around 9.10am.
The pilot managed to swim ashore, while the aircraft sank. No-one else was on board.
Meanwhile, a member of the public had spotted the motorboat drifting on Loch Long. Investigators found a man "asleep" on board the vessel, which was towed back to shore.
The man, who had been reported missing from a local campsite at around 7am, was arrested in connection with the alleged theft of a boat.
Clyde Coastguard was involved in the search for the missing vessel.
A spokesman said: "We started searching and put teams out but it was spotted by someone else. It had not gone very far.
"The man that owns it owns his own helicopter and went looking for it and ended up ditching into the loch but he managed to get out and swim ashore."
It is not yet known why the helicopter was forced to ditch in the loch.
A Strathclyde Police spokesman said: "At around 7am this morning police received a report that a man was missing from a campsite near Ardgartan.
"It's believed he may have taken a motorboat and gone out on to the loch at around 2am.
"It's believed the pilot of the helicopter was the owner of the boat which had allegedly been taken by the missing man.
"The pilot was not seriously injured and did not require hospital treatment."

CyclicRick 1st Jun 2010 13:59

Nice to know he's ok but maybe he should have called for us...? That's what we are there for after all. Police 51 :ok:

jivusajob 1st Jun 2010 16:39

You might find you were called CyclicRick but you also might find the weather was 'out of limits' for the police helicopter :confused:

Floppy Link 1st Jun 2010 17:03

And you would know that how...? Considering one of your earlier posts was


Any news on the new Strathclyde Police machine. Has it arrived yet?
If the weather was out of limits for Police 51 then should this guy have been up and about?

Speedy recovery to him. At least he got his boat back.

jivusajob 1st Jun 2010 19:07

I was down at the heliport to take some pictures on a day out but the weather was rubbish. So I looked up the POAM on the CAA website on my iPhone to check the weather limits and concluded there would be no flying this morning based on my observations of visibility and cloudbase.

Sir Herbert Gussett 1st Jun 2010 19:21

jivusajob would you stop giving your spotter observations in this thread. Some poor sod has lost two of his favourite possessions and you sit there giving your pathetic armchair analysis.

If he was clear of cloud (at least 1,500 horizontally), in sight of surface and had a flight visibility of at least 1,500m then everything is fine.

Now with the greatest of respect shut up unless you're going to contribute well to this thread.

fisbangwollop 1st Jun 2010 19:46

I know the full story and weather was not a factor....so please do not speculate. The weather was not too good but had not stopped the 60 mile transit to get to the loch.

Heli-Jock 1st Jun 2010 19:52

R44 down "Loch Long"
 
If Police 51 unable to fly from Glasgow,,,,,why,,,,would anyone think that up Loch Long it would have been any better? As a professional,the weather conditions form a huge part of my flying preparation, "before" i take off.
I see and hear of too many people, take off and check the weather as they fly.
While limitations are there for good reason,,,the limits may well be below the minimum limits en route and i'd bet, we all know people who have fell foul of bad weather conditions! := Some have lived to tell the tale and some,,,,,,,have not!:ugh:

Does anyone know what type aircraft it was?

HJ

Tarman 1st Jun 2010 19:58

Loch Long is accessible from the River Clyde and the Police helicopter is based at the Clyde heliport. I'm not sure of the sequence of events this morning, but I am pretty sure Police 51 would have routed along the river had they been given a "shout".
I haven't heard which aircraft was involved yet but I know a few that it wasn't !
The main thing is that the pilot is okay, it could have been a lot worse.

Sir Herbert Gussett 1st Jun 2010 19:58

Hi HJ

Robinson R44 apparently and in fact I'm sure "Police 51" was on Glasgow Radar frequency earlier today when I was flying inbound in a trusty Flybe Dash 8! I may have misheard though. I guess jivusajob to be a spotter with no solid clue.

Weather wasn't exactly CAVOK but I'm not one to speculate .... Loch Long probably has its own microclimate.

SHG

Heli-Jock 1st Jun 2010 20:15

Hey SHG,
Loch Long, Mountains on ether side,,low temps,,lots moisture from the Loch ! I also, have no idea of the weather at Loch Long this morning but could hazard a guess it wouldn't be suitable for a picnic in a R44 !
Good news is pilot is ok. I hope others may look at this and consider weather before flying in the future. I note the pilot flew from a business appointment in Edinburgh,,,was the Edinburgh weather better than Glasgow?

Where did you get the info on the aircraft type? Is there a reg?

HJ

Sir Herbert Gussett 1st Jun 2010 20:20

Hi H-J, check PM box.

S.H.G

Tarman 1st Jun 2010 20:21

The first post was from a FISO at Scottish information. I assume he had reliable information.

CyclicRick 1st Jun 2010 20:31

Well jivusajob...you've been rumbled.... a spotter !;)
We've had this senario before, R44 crash, both the Police AND the Air Ambulance couldn't get there because of the weather....just how bad does it have to be before you walk back into the hangar and put the kettle on?:ugh:

fisbangwollop 1st Jun 2010 20:32

TARMAN

The first post was from a FISO at Scottish information. I assume he had reliable information.
Never ASSUME!!!!!

forget 1st Jun 2010 20:35

Real spotters don't call hangars hangers.

CyclicRick 1st Jun 2010 20:37

Whoops...now I'm a spotter too!! :ok:
Albeit not a real one:8

Heli-Jock 1st Jun 2010 20:39

fisbangwallop
 
As everyone who knows you, should know,,,,in the job you do,,,your info will always be correct. Keep up the good work down there and remember to be nice to Longrangers from Edinburgh.
:)

fisbangwollop 1st Jun 2010 20:42

Is that Longrangers that fly to Stanley near NT ??

fisbangwollop 1st Jun 2010 20:44

Heli-Jock......Bet your not as pretty as the Pipeline LongRanger pilots :cool:

CyclicRick 1st Jun 2010 20:47

She does sound rather lovely doesn't she ;)

fisbangwollop 1st Jun 2010 20:50

Not only sounds lovely but is.....also her sister to:cool::cool::cool:

Heli-Jock 1st Jun 2010 21:27

Fisbangwallop
 
Heli-Jock......Bet your not as pretty as the Pipeline LongRanger pilots

Good chance you could be right! :ok:

Not seen her myself tho,,,,,hope to in the future tho!

HJ:O

B.U.D.G.I.E 1st Jun 2010 22:20

oh please


R44 down "Loch Long"


Does anyone know what type aircraft it was?
in the same post...god help us

Sir Herbert Gussett 1st Jun 2010 22:25

B.U.D.G.I.E thank you for your useful post to this thread... not. Go away if you haven't got anything worthwhile to say and leave those that are interested to BE INTERESTED. This isn't an English class or else I'd give you the cane for being a ****.

My useful contribution to this thread is telling you to *****.:=

Gordy 1st Jun 2010 22:50

SHG....

Smile... :) You are going to give yourself a coronary..... I looked at some of your other posts on Pprune....why the anger?

Much better to take a:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...nnies/4319.jpg

I thought B.U.D.G.I.E. made a valid point really....

Sir Herbert Gussett 1st Jun 2010 22:57

Don't see the "valid point" in someone getting arsey over another wanting a confirmation of the aircraft or overlooking the thread title! I presume this thread shall be a grand one for helicopter pilots in Scotland so let us keep it that way and not fill it with semantic nonsense and your pictures of a 'CHILL PILL' or whatever else you are going to Google Image.

Whirlygig 1st Jun 2010 23:12

There's only one person being arsey here ... and it's the one using the words, "arsey", "piss off" and "tw@t".

For heaven's sake man, there are ladies present. :}

Cheers

Whirls

Sir Herbert Gussett 1st Jun 2010 23:16

Then on that note I'm off for a well earned SLEEP. :) Sorry to those offended by my outbursts, and sorry to B.U.D.G.I.E. Spotter still stands with jizupajob or whatever the name is. :)

Sleep tight campers! ;)

SilsoeSid 2nd Jun 2010 08:52

I guess this incident isn't the best news anyone promoting the Sky Watch Civil Air Patrol system wants to hear. :sad:

B.U.D.G.I.E 2nd Jun 2010 09:09

oo lets hope herby has a good nights sleep. Whats wrong with a little funny post once in a while.....

Sir Herbert Gussett 2nd Jun 2010 11:36

Heryb has had a good nights sleep thank you. :)

Have read today's tatty newspaper, The Sun, that has something about a Robinson 440 crash. Ever heard of one of them, anyone? :)

Tycoon Keith Punler crashes in loch then swims to shore | The Sun |Home Scotland|Scottish News

1helicopterppl 2nd Jun 2010 12:00

Only a guess but try R44 G-LWAY......

Fishbangwallop..... i take it you mean the pipeline J/R not L/R ? if so I know both the Sisters, the eldest recently married & the younger one takes after her Father which is a shame.......do agree they both sound lovely on RT, both worked offshore with Bond btw.

fisbangwollop 2nd Jun 2010 12:28

And just to make my day spoke to her again this morning as she follows the pipe.....You normally find the nicer they sound the less nice they look, but I believe in this instant she is as good looking as she sounds!!! :cool::cool::cool:

Sir Herbert Gussett 2nd Jun 2010 12:31

"Lovely tone, add on 20 stone" :)

Tarman 2nd Jun 2010 14:31

This thread seems to have drifted into a fantasy world of Supermodels flying JetRangers ! I have met one of the pipeline girls and she is very nice :)
Over the years though, I have also fallen victim to the lovely sounding receptionist who turns out to be a monster, and before you start calling me sexist I am sure I have disappointed more than a few myself !!

fisbangwollop 2nd Jun 2010 14:54


This thread seems to have drifted into a fantasy world of Supermodels flying JetRangers !
Nothing wrong with that!!:):):)

Just glad KP got out safe and survived...:ok:

birrddog 2nd Jun 2010 15:01

Seeing that we are going there...
 
http://igossip.com/photos/splashnews...126362_001.jpg

jivusajob 2nd Jun 2010 15:57

Hey Gussett



jivusajob would you stop giving your spotter observations in this thread. Some poor sod has lost two of his favourite possessions and you sit there giving your pathetic armchair analysis.

If he was clear of cloud (at least 1,500 horizontally), in sight of surface and had a flight visibility of at least 1,500m then everything is fine.

Now with the greatest of respect shut up unless you're going to contribute well to this thread.
Thats all abit harsh. Far from being a pathetic armchair analysis what you got from me was an eyewittness account from Glasgow Heliport.

In addittion


in fact I'm sure "Police 51" was on Glasgow Radar frequency earlier today when I was flying inbound in a trusty Flybe Dash 8! I may have misheard though. I guess jivusajob to be a spotter with no solid clue.
You are in fact wrong as from the widow of my camper van near the heliport I can assure you Police 51 did not fly in the morning.

Anyway back to the thread, this just seems to confirm yet again that having lots of money can buy you a helicopter. What it cannot buy you is the skill to fly it.


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