I stress the following this is not the finished report.

Yes, but the initial report says nothing about an engine fire or other which i'm sure would be mentioned if it had been a factor.
I thought from watching the video, that the tail rotor had struck the pole initially, not the main rotor. Anyway, I guess i'll look forward to the main report.

Difficult to tell from such a small video picture, but the aircraft appears to roll and yaw to the left. If it was a tail rotor strike, it should be going the other way. So it looks to be consistent with what the initial report says.

Ragman . Your post seems quite confused / confusing !! Charter requires an aoc in any country but leasing ( which i think you will be referring to on jets etc ) does not as it is deemed to be a private flight where the hirer is the operator and he hires his own pilot . This is the way a few aoc,s are going now that the caa are strangling them to death with one hand whilst the other is picking their pocket .:ugh:

NigelH sorry if you are confused, but the question asked by pink panther was can you carry out a charter without an AOC, my answer was and is no you cant, the section about jets seems to be some companies that are trying to use leasing as a loop hole or whatever you may feel not to apply for an AOC. Im sure as you state if you ask the CAA the same question I think you know what the answer would be.:ugh:

CCTV footage from Bettystown.

YouTube - Helicopter crash meath ireland

From what I can see this hasn't been posted yet.

Maybe you need glasses?
 

http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/343...ml#post4406793 Post 38 & 39

:rolleyes:

RTÉ News: Helicopter pilot fined €5000 for crash

OMG.... not again!
 

Once again we have an incident/accident/tragedy completely shrouded by garbage, rumour and wonderful testimonials to a great/wonderful/hero pilot.. engine-failure... smoke.. tried to miss hospital/school/orphanage etc...and then the truth comes out. It really is time that Pprune became a password-enabled 'site for aviation professionals.:ugh: IMHO of course. Cheers bm

what did he plead guilty to...?

apparently there was some plea barganning going on and agreed he would admit carless, unfortunately the IAA man decided he wasnt going to stick to this and changed his mind and went to nail him on 6 different charges, I wasnt there but some guys who were said the IAA man called the press about the case and stood up and even said that after your LDP he should have gone around and stated that is the proceedure, he showed the judge the pictures of the wreckage and that was it all over.
No fine was handed out Press got it wrong as it was costs against the pilot to the IAA which they said is 5000 and one 3 month suspended sentence which is not a criminal conviction. Thats all I know but it seems bad form if the IAA are prepared to stand up and lie and also call the newspapers in. He has been in court twice and no press arrived as the IAA were not ready to proceed.

Mac

Well I hope that teaches everyone a lesson then, do not crash in Ireland, because if you do and survive, the "Institute Against Aviation" will take you to court.:eek:

Regardless of the IAA's miserable efforts, I refer you to post 77... PRAT :{

still waiting....

Report just released here

Did this guy wear a stetson & spurs and operate out of a dude ranch too?

The report makes scary reading - about as scary as the video!

We all feel commercial pressure now and again, and we all make mistakes, we are after all human. For this, the pilot has my sympathy.........but.......... but if you blatently fly illegally on a foreign PPL whilst taking payment and also stealing jobs from those who respect and trained under the rules then I have no sympathy. (and to land illegally on a beach without permission....... but the car park looks ok.....).

This sort of behaviour was rife when I was working in Ireland and to be perfectly honest, it's about time these cowboys got their comeuppance.

I keep my head below the parapettt on PPrune as a lurker and PM'er but this is simply too much to bear. I have seen guys train in the US (no problem there) and they come over to europe and break the terms of their license..... this is a classic example of "sure it'll be grand sure" as long as nothing goes wrong (and we don't get caught, i'll just say I was carrying that brown envelope for fun, and I also fly my friends for free whilst wearing a white shirt with 4 gold bars. obviously!). I'll take that envelope as long as it's nothing to do with that flight I just did. The inconsistencies with the story: I was flying for money... on second thoughts no I wasn't. not...on third thoughts....I changed my mind. On fourth thougts I was flying, no he was flying...we were both P1 even when he didn't pay me but the client did.... I mean did'nt........

Did I miss something???

PS. I don't want to get into a typing war. You can contact me by telegram or fax.

I hope every professsional pilot out there feels the same way as I do.

I hope you guys/girls go easy on me but I honestly believe people like that deserve all they get. And then not enough.........

Yes, two main issues. Firstly poor decision making/airmanship/unlucky - we've all been there before, call it what you like.

Secondly, the non-public transport, public transport work. I don't think the problem is unique to Ireland nor the rotary world. I'm sure we've all been tempted by offers from 'friends' or 'friends of friends'; how many GA pilots had smiles on their faces after this year's Icelandic volcanic ash farrago? The rules are clear and in many respects there to protect pilots from liability issues. Break them and be prepared to man-up to face the consequences.

You cannot be serious - running a flight training academy! Tell me you are joking............?

It was all a frame-up I tell you. The man is innocent. The camera angle made the LS look smaller than it was and that engine failure on short finals meant he was really stuck for choices whilst steering the stricken helicopter away from the school.

Some people can fall in sh*t and still come up smelling of roses. He'll probably end up as Head of the IAA.

When reading the threads on here, I normally get too bored with the 50% of rubbish that is spouted and give up. In this case how ever, because I was flying in Ireland at the time of the crash, I forced myself to read every post. Now that it is clear exactly what happened, including the ludicrous attempt by the supplier and pilot to cover up the full truth, I am appalled by some of the earlier posts. Any aviation authority has a difficult role in policing the cowboy element, especially when they are being misled. The fact that the pilot pleaded guilty must surely tell us something about his story. With all the facts that the IAA and FAA have, I am astonished that this cowboy still has a licence and is now running a flight school to show others how not to do it.

I hope some of the "lets wait for the report before we hang him" brigade, are suitably humbled and ashamed of the unquestioning back up of this man, just because he has a few hours. Quantity of hours doesn't necessarily make you experienced, or professional, maybe he's just lucky. Has he got 5000 hrs experience or 1 hours experience 5000 times.

Too many times, whilst flying in Ireland, I saw this total distain for the rules. It was more a question of how to get round the rules and operate the way I want to, rather than how can this be done within the rules.

Please IAA, sort out the system within you jurisdiction.

Who was the 'supplier'?

As I undestand it an early contributer to this thread.:E

Maybe he's the best person to run a school. He made a mistake, took the flack, and maybe he's a lot wiser and more careful now.

It's all very easy to armchair judge. But how many of us here have never done something outside the rules? and how many of us here have never landed somewhere and though "mm.. that was a little close"? Not many I bet.

If you were surprised by this report where were you for the last 10 years?

The dogs in the street knew what was going on over the last 10-15 years in Ireland. Probably endemic of the general acceptance of the 'fair play to you if you can get away with it', 'one up on the system mentality'(no excuse) . It was only a matter of time, amazing(thankfully) no third party was seriously injured following this incident.

Irionic it happend towards the back end of the so called Celtic tiger! Maybe the problem has gone away, so we don't really have to deal with it.

If it happened around 2000 would things have changed?
Probably not.

Will things be any different in the future?
Probably not!

Irish-Trying to say it as I see it.

Almost beyond belief! :ugh:

Thanks for the intended slur. :D

I made mistakes alright; enough for the RAF to make me an A2 QHI and QFI and asked me to sign on for another seventeen years doing the job. The CAA were happy enough to pass me as an FI(H).

Btw - did you ever actually read the accident report? I did. Also, if you fully read this thread, you will see I was one of the few who, before the official report was published, initially gave the pilot the benefit of the doubt.

What's next, suing the drivers of a fender bender you witnessed? The owner of a cat that just caught a mouse in front of you? Jackie Gleason?

Seems a protective bubble is no longer sufficient. You've got to paint it black as well.

I/C