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Crash near Harrogate, UK: January 2008
BBC reporting a civilian heli down near Harrogate.
Apparently went down around 16.30. Any more news available? |
Just read this
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Two dead after helicopter crash Two people have died in a helicopter crash at a golf resort near Harrogate, North Yorkshire. Police, fire and ambulance services were called to attend the scene in woodland at Rudding Park - a luxury hotel and golf resort - at 1630 GMT. The victims, a middle-aged man and a middle-aged woman, both from the West Yorkshire area, are thought to have died instantly, police said. The helicopter had just taken off when it crashed. The fire service said the area was searched for other casualties but no-one else was found. An investigation has been launched by the police and the Air Accidents Investigation Branch. Weather forecasters said there had been high winds in the area earlier, which had subsided by the time of the crash but conditions were still gusty. Police say the deceased, who were pronounced dead at the scene, were due to be formally identified on Monday. Insp Tad Nowakowski, of North Yorkshire Police said their bodies would be removed from the wreckage of the helicopter on Sunday. "The helicopter is in the middle of a small wood," he said. "We understand they had just left Rudding Park Hotel. The two people are from the West Yorkshire area, the helicopter is a private helicopter. "My thoughts and prayers are with their family and friends. "It would appear to be a really tragic incident and our job now is to try and establish the cause, which will take some time." A private function at the 2,000 acre hotel and resort, which was recently named the 12th most luxurious in the world, has still gone ahead. Former guests have included former US presidents Bill Clinton and George Bush Senior, former Russian president Mikhail Gorbachev and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, of South Africa. The landlord of a nearby pub said flights over the hotel, which has an 18-hole Championship golf course, occurred daily. |
Sky News reporting two killed. I hope they have got it wrong.
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gazelle just delivered today . Pilot wisely took safety pilot with him to the accident site and was last seen tying it down . Sounds like he couldnt resist having a play later on. New ppl with 46 hrs . Wind at a guess gusting 50 kn.
I have name but will not post until public. Not implying weather was a factor but with a mere 1,000 + hrs and 500 on type i would not have been up there today. Tragic. |
Gazelle crash
Privately owned Gazelle crashed near to Rudding Park Hotel. Both occupants killed on impact.
RIP |
RIP......not good news at all... it was(and still is) very windy up here today...
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Nigelh
That's got to be hard on the Safety Pilot, although not his fault in any way whatsoever, he must be finding it a trying time, having helped safely deliver it. RIP |
very windy
its was over the limits of most ppl pilots today
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nigelh
sitting with a cuppa by the Nidd - couldn't imagine anyone flying in this weather! |
was that 46 hrs total time.:sad:
RIP |
crash,
i'm very sorry for was has happened,
but when will pilots, use the local atis, the gusting with was high in yorkshire today, and most pilots with high hrs would not go out, as you all know wind is ok but high gusts are a different thing, |
I was flying in East Yorkshire today and to say it was too windy for low time PPL's is an understatement. It was less windy than yesterday but still not good. I was watching a groundspeed of 202kts (2000' wind was only 235/68!!) most of my flight, one way of course. What the hell is wrong with people? Are some of the people who teach ppl's these days not pushing the message across hard enough about flying in bad wx, that includes strong winds, or is it something else? Looks like the accident season has started, reading the threads today.
Tragic that TWO people died. RIP |
if the guy was flying from a unlicensed site,
there is no one to stop him, its just the same as driving your car down the freeway at 80mph in fog, |
I think that if i had been the safety pilot i would have strongly advised no solo flying in any kind of weather . ( and i am sure that he did do just that )
46 hrs of flying does not prepare you for flying in these conditions IMHO. RIP in fact i think the wind was stronger today than yesterday . We were out shooting on the hill both days and today you could not stand up when on top. Maybe new licences should have restrictions just like solo flying when training ? What if you do all your training in good calm weather ...you could then find that your first ever flight in severe turbulence is solo . Sad there was not an experienced pilot around at the time to advise against the flight. I am told 46 hrs was total time heli but he had fixed wing experience. |
crash
yes, your right,
the gusts today, was too high to start up the gazelle, unless he was in a hanger ! |
Can't agree more Nigel. Pity we couldn't arrange a night for helicopter FI's/ ppl's/cpl's/ anyone interested in heli's to meet up in Yorkshire area etc. Talk about wx, accidents, do's and dont's of flying, what we all learned on the path to our present positions, plus any questions along the way, and in a relaxed atmosphere. I found the FI seminars were ok for FI's but the most I learned not in the air was during my nights out on an arranged evening every two weeks, in Newcastle, over beers etc with a common theme, heli's, and people of all levels coming along and being able to ask questions without the worry of looking stupid in front of their peers.
So many pointless deaths! A bloody shame. |
when has any child at xmas ever taken any notice of when you can play with toys when they are there to be played with?.... terrible shame - eagerness and excitement looks like it cost him +1 their lives - very sad and sensless...:(
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My feelings are obviously with those involved but spare a thought for the FE who passed someone at minimum hours who makes the news on there first trip. very sad.
Some students are bad, some very good and some you swear are learning somewhere else on the side. Experience however is a very diffrent attribute.:sad: |
the unfortunate point is a child won't kill himself and another innocent party if he plays with 'toys' at xmas.
This was an expensive aircraft requiring the necessary skill and sense to operate it, neither of which were shown. |
A very sad day indeed. I had the pleasure of flying with the pilot only a few weeks ago. Such a terrible loss for his family and freinds.
RIP JJ |
Do we know if all the 46hrs were on Gazelle ?
E. |
just a little point the pilot also had a fixed wing cpl /ir frozen atpl ect. his low hours were on helicopters only
ef most of his hours was on a gazelle rip friend |
An examiner can only work within the rules of the system. If somebody performs the tasks requested satisfactorily during the test they pass ....as simple as that. If you start playing god a failing people just because they lack experience then nobody will use you . It is no different to passing a 17 yr old on their driving test. They may behave beautifully when you are sitting next to them and then reckless with their mates on board. My worry is that i can remember aged 21 with 200 hrs being totally unprepared for situations that students put me in that i had never encountered before, but i did have a chief pilot to guide me re when to go and when not to ...then crop spraying i also had one to keep me out of trouble . A new ppl doesnt have anybody to tell him what to do . How many of you would sit in the back with a 50 hr ppl even in 20 kn ?
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hiya, my names phil, a reporter from the Sunday Sun newspaper, North East, Nortrh Yorkshire and Cumbria.
We are covering this awful crash in north yorkshire and were wondering if there was anyone who might be able to help us with the story. |
Nigel i couldn't agree with you more.
However the 45 hour minimum hours were in place long before JAR and all the additional requirements. (especially the "lets learn to fly in cloud but don't do it" bit) Market forces spawn the pass in 45 hour culture. My humble experience is a 70 - 90 hour pass average with at least 50% attrition rate. I also don't remember any part of a ppl(h) coarse which advocates flying in 50+ kts. The people you teach learn everything they know from you. |
Makes you wonder what someone did with him for his 45 hrs of training. Reasonable to assume that with his previous fixed wing experience, they shouldn't/wouldn't be concentrating on Nav? As a 20 hr Robbo student with extensive fixed wing experience, I'm spending a lot of time learning how important the wind is.
Sad, very sad. |
Phil, looking at your post, I hope you get someone to proof read your copy !
Don't expect a flood of replies from here..........:= E. |
the 46 hours on rotor wing is incorrect he has more hours than that since passing his test he has flown to denmark and back [with safety pilot before any one asks ]
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harrogate
one of you guys, said, get some pilots to meet up one night,
with ref, to talk about wind and so on, i would like to be there on that night, i have 21 year flying with the USAF,and now am flying for blackwater in Iraq, i live in USA, but also have a home in Surrey England, so i can help, set up the date and let me know, if i can make it, it will ! |
A sad tale indeed, again another incident in questionable weather. 40 kts is a limitation for stopping/starting rotors in a Gazelle.
RIP |
hiya, my names phil, a reporter from the Sunday Sun newspaper, North East, Nortrh Yorkshire and Cumbria. We are covering this awful crash in north yorkshire and were wondering if there was anyone who might be able to help us with the story. Whilst some people within this forum would be more than happy to assist you in various other issues/debates it may probably be worth your while obtaining all facts pertaining to this sad incident from the proper authorities. AAIB/Police etc, i would also thank you for being open as to who/where your from. CM |
one of you guys, said, get some pilots to meet up one night, with ref, to talk about wind and so on, i would like to be there on that night, i have 21 year flying with the USAF,and now am flying for blackwater in Iraq, i live in USA, but also have a home in Surrey England, so i can help, set up the date and let me know, if i can make it, it will ! RIP those who died today |
harrogate
well said, CM
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Another sad loss.
Very sad news indead, the weather has been rough for days, my thoughts are with the families.
Does anyone know the registration of the Gazelle? |
help
i'm sure lots of other pilots will help,
i'm good for my word, put me on the list |
bit of thread creep here but as for meeting up, the problem will be geographic. Maybe have a few people arrange meets in a few different locations in Uk, or at least try to encourage more people to talk/discuss all things heli's. It tends to just end up a slanging match on web forums and that's not the aim. There are safety evenings run at flying schools etc but i'd want this different. Inherent risks of heli's etc????
I just know we will read about more bad news this year on pprune and no doubt some will know the people involved. |
Helimutt
I think you are right there is a need to put together some local pilot meets around the country, I tried to do this in the South East a couple of years ago and the CAA where amenable to putting on a helicopter safety evening given enough notice. Unfortunately I moved to the South West and it never happened. Maybe we should look to putting something together with regards to a rough schedule for the evenings and get some people involved from around the country, and of all experience levels to try and reduce accidents in the UK. Cheers Gary |
With this pilot today, A very nice Guy & my thoughts are with their families.
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Just driven back to Newcastle from Glasgow today in terrible weather and the very thought crossed my mind as to the limitations of flying helicopters in windy conditions then came home to read this.
My thoughts are obviously with the families concerned and with regard to suggestions about informal meets i'd be happy to try and arrange something in the North East, perhaps at Wings at Newcastle Airport if anyone would be interested. |
Gary, I think it would be a great idea but as soon as you start to say things like CAA involvement etc, then I feel the idea is lost and people switch off a bit. My gut feeling is that you would have more success at getting people to come and meet up and chat if it was in a relaxed informal environment with only pilots/people with an interest and questions to ask over a beer or something. Why don't we see if we can sort something. If anyone in the Yorkshire/N.Lincolnshire area/Newcastle area wants to arrange something or can suggest something, i'll be there. We usd to meet up at Newcastle Aero Club a few years ago but it only really involved the guys learning to fly helis up there at the time, and we didn't have PPRuNe to help get people interested.
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