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r22butters 3rd Dec 2017 17:44


Originally Posted by hargreaves99 (Post 9977578)
The Cabri is easier to auto than the R22, for sure.

But in reality I would rather have more power. It's virtually impossible to teach a vertical takeoff in a Cabri unless you are both 7 stone, have 10 litres fuel on board and have 25 knots of wind.

If you know what I mean.

I'm not a CFI, but I have done full down autos in the 22,...they're really not that bad! In fact there's a full down contest in the 22 every year in Oregon.

You want to auto down on a pillow though, the Enstrom is the way to go! It was so smooth I thought it was just another power on running landing!

Hughes500 3rd Dec 2017 17:46

Hargreaves

Should start using a Hu 269 then. Did a PC on a 17 stone customer ( I am 15 .5 stone ) with 2 hours of fuel and we were doing vertical landings and take offs on Friday with 1' of Map still available !

nocarsgo 4th Dec 2017 20:01

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Don't forget about the 10% horse power increase for use as 5 min takeoff that was recently approved.

https://www.verticalmag.com/press-re...2-gets-better/

Flying Binghi 5th Dec 2017 00:33


Originally Posted by nocarsgo (Post 9978739)
Don't forget about the 10% horse power increase for use as 5 min takeoff that was recently approved.

https://www.verticalmag.com/press-re...2-gets-better/

"...The FAA has approved Service Bulletin 17-009 that allows the pilot to use additional horsepower from the aircraft’s Lycoming 0360-J2A. Previously, the allowed power had been 145 horsepower. The new rating allows the pilot to utilize 160 horsepower without any negative implications to operating costs or additional inspections..."

Steady as she goes eh. Start out conservative and if nothing breaks boost it a bit more and so on. Bit more horsepower increase left in the Lyc 360.

I note when Schweizer derated the 300C back about 10 horsepower and came out with the 300CB that many component life's were dramatically increased. Interesting that there is apparently no component life decrease mentioned in the article. To me that backs up the conservative start approach of Gumball with their G2.





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nocarsgo 5th Dec 2017 18:40

Power upgrade approved in all operating countries
 
Binghi, yes seems like it, makes sense being a relatively new and small company.

On related note, Canada just got the power increase approved so now every country the Cabri is certified, can enjoy the additional power.

https://www.facebook.com/FlyCabri/

HeliHenri 24th Jan 2018 08:43

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22 JAN 18 / St. Louis Downtown Airport
Instructor an student with minor injuries( energy absorbing structure and crashworthy seats ! :ok:)

KNIEVEL77 24th Jan 2018 11:23


Originally Posted by HeliHenri (Post 10029909)
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22 JAN 18 / St. Louis Downtown Airport
Instructor an student with minor injuries( energy absorbing structure and crashworthy seats ! :ok:)

Good to see both escaped with only minor injuries.

A681001 2nd Mar 2018 01:48

Cabri down in NZ

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/wanaka...sh-pair-escape

Agile 2nd Mar 2018 05:52

My guess,

A finely developed auto, but with sideways speed on touch down = low impact rollover. Is that the tail rotor shaft snaking its way out of the tail?

Despite being technically strong, the composite tail look so weak once broken.

Bell_ringer 2nd Mar 2018 06:28


As with any flight, from time to time things do tend to go wrong and we're just very fortunate in this instance both passengers have come out with no injuries.
One of those pesky flights that just go wrong..
There should be some form of qualification required before someone is allowed to provide quotes to the media. :rolleyes:

jellycopter 2nd Mar 2018 08:14

" ......both passengers have come out with no injuries."

That'll be why it crashed. If they were both passengers, no one could have been flying it!

aa777888 2nd Mar 2018 11:51

Trainers seem to crash a lot. Doesn't seem to matter who makes them. Glad everyone walked away.

Aluminium Mallard 3rd Mar 2018 09:55

thats whats called a full down kiwi auto!

:O

HeliHenri 6th Mar 2018 14:40

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35 G2 produced in 2017, that's 15 less than 2016 (34 R22 produced in 2017).
The launch of the G4 program is not planned till one year or even two.
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r22butters 6th Mar 2018 16:09


Originally Posted by HeliHenri (Post 10074750)
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35 G2 produced in 2017, that's 15 less than 2016 (34 R22 produced in 2017).
The launch of the G4 program is not planned till one year or even two.
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,...and note, Gimbel actually wants to sell the G2, Robinson on the other hand, would be happy if the R22 went the way of the dodo, and everyone started training in the R44 Cadet.

CRAN 6th Mar 2018 17:30

Royal Aero Society Lecture
 
During his lecture last year at the Royal Aeronautical Society, Bruno actually said that there are no fixed time scales for the G4 yet and he is very undecided about engines. The company is focusing on the drone first.

The G4 is likely to be quite a way into the future I'm afraid.

:(

Bravo73 6th Mar 2018 20:17


Originally Posted by CRAN (Post 10074937)
The company is focusing on the drone first.

Of course it is. That will make G2 sales look like a drop in the ocean.

nocarsgo 7th Mar 2018 03:56

Camera Mount
 
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Anyone know more about the camera mount as seen in this Cabri photo from Heli-Expo? ShotOver is the camera company. Looks like it would go in place of the lower left plexiglass piece.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...02868129734716

Also, with the so the R44 will continue to have no direct competitors then, that's a shame.

jimjim1 7th Mar 2018 08:59


Originally Posted by CRAN (Post 10074937)
During his lecture last year at the Royal Aeronautical Society, Bruno actually said ...

The Royal Aeronautical Society does have an audio of this but it is not possible to find it easily from google.

The Royal Aeronautical Society's video/audio index page is not being correctly scanned by google. I think they would assist their mission if they got that fixed.



1.
Searching google for -


royal aeronautical society guimbal
does not return a page with the audio on it.

The page -

is not found.

2.
The "title" on soundcloud does not contain anything about the content of the talk.


AeroSociety Podcast
Cierva Named Lecture 2017
No mention of Guimbal.

Can someone please pass this to the relevant Royal Aeronautical Society webmaster or other authority? These issues obviously apply to all of their talks, not just this one.

Thanks.

JimL 7th Mar 2018 13:33

You can find in here:

https://www.aerosociety.com/news/vid...-lecture-2017/

Past events can always be found in the 'Video and Audio Archive'.

Jim

MikeNYC 7th Mar 2018 14:37


Originally Posted by nocarsgo (Post 10075354)
Anyone know more about the camera mount as seen in this Cabri photo from Heli-Expo? TopShot is the camera company. Looks like it would go in place of the lower left plexiglass piece.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...02868129734716

Also, with the so the R44 will continue to have no direct competitors then, that's a shame.

Not sure where you got "TopShot" from, but the correct company name is visible in a bunch of places..

The camera gimbal company is Shotover (Shotover Camera Systems). They are one of the leaders in gyrostabilized gimbals. They're NZ-based with offices in the US as well. They currently offer larger gimbals (K1 for large lenses, oversize cinema cameras, the F1 for smaller cinema cameras and ENG use) and smaller gimbals (G1 for drones, cable cam and remote head use).

This new gimbal is believed to be called the B1. It hasn't been officially announced, and more information will be coming out at NAB (Nat'l Association of Broadcasters) conference in Las Vegas next month.

KiwiNedNZ 7th Mar 2018 19:53

Actually the M1 is going to be unveiled at NAB not the B1. The B1 was something Brad came up with and decided to just put the mockup on the G2 at Heli Expo to see what the interest was. He also has the U1 which is the drone.

MikeNYC 7th Mar 2018 23:26


Originally Posted by KiwiNedNZ (Post 10076239)
Actually the M1 is going to be unveiled at NAB not the B1. The B1 was something Brad came up with and decided to just put the mockup on the G2 at Heli Expo to see what the interest was. He also has the U1 which is the drone.

Good point. There’s also the F1 Rush, F1 Live and a few other products.

CaptGoncaloLemos 12th Mar 2018 20:52

Cabri g2 issues and troubles
 

Originally Posted by CRAN (Post 10074937)
During his lecture last year at the Royal Aeronautical Society, Bruno actually said that there are no fixed time scales for the G4 yet and he is very undecided about engines. The company is focusing on the drone first.

The G4 is likely to be quite a way into the future I'm afraid.

:(

I think Bruno should first correct all the mistakes on G2 before thinking on any other project!.... I couldn’t believe if not witnessed the several ridiculous and danger mistakes from a manufacter like guimbal maked on Cabri G2!
For a quick example the oilseal from the MGB not having a all or a stoper...and being possible to came out in mid flight and losing all the oil on MGB....
another example the manifold pressure hose fittings smashing the nylon hose and gets lose and leaking ...

nocarsgo 15th Mar 2018 02:42


Vertical Freedom 15th Mar 2018 05:42

that's a Mountain H recce????................cheeez almost 10 mins & what a landing; clueless, wouldn't be hiring those guys for mountain workz :\

[email protected] 15th Mar 2018 07:31

He is in almost flat calm conditions and doesn't mention wind until he has been round the peak several times - he should do another video with 20 kts of wind and see how well that profile goes.

ShyTorque 15th Mar 2018 09:51

Seems that the pilot flying judged the altitude better than the instructor.

GrosBof 18th Mar 2018 00:51


Originally Posted by JimL (Post 10075879)
You can find in here:

<URL>

Past events can always be found in the 'Video and Audio Archive'.

Jim

I can't find any video of that lecture. That's too bad, it seems that during the presentation they were able to see some sketch or rough ideas of the G4.
Is the video available somewhere?

HeliHenri 15th May 2018 14:13

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A new article and a small video from aopa about the G2 :
http://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/a...ot/sleeper-hit
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r22butters 15th May 2018 15:28


Originally Posted by HeliHenri (Post 10147461)
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A new article and a small video from aopa about the G2 :
http://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/a...ot/sleeper-hit
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Well considering the higher cost, lets hope it stays asleep!

KNIEVEL77 15th May 2018 15:38

I had the dilemma of cost over safety and decided to go with the Cabri and after a 12 month break, I’m just about to restart and hopefully complete my training at Helicentre Aviation in Leicester.

HeliHenri 15th May 2018 15:53


Originally Posted by r22butters (Post 10147513)
Well considering the higher cost, lets hope it stays asleep!

Don't you think it's a good thing to get choice ?!
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r22butters 15th May 2018 16:30


Originally Posted by HeliHenri (Post 10147528)


Don't you think it's a good thing to get choice ?!
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If the school I rent from wants to get "a" Cabri that's fine, as long as they keep the more affordable 22 around for those of us not rolling in dough!

,...and the choice to pay more for training has always been there, Schweizer, Enstrom, R44,...Cabri isn't doing anything new there! :rolleyes:

[email protected] 15th May 2018 16:34

How much more is the Cabri than the Robinson to buy and run?

Seems to me that a basic trainer that doesn't want to disassemble itself in midair or rollover with the merest hint of lateral movement and is easy to auto is a pretty good thing.

Spunk 15th May 2018 18:43

Cabri @ USD 450.000
R22 @ USD 350.000

... rough guess

r22butters 15th May 2018 18:55


Originally Posted by Spunk (Post 10147659)
Cabri @ USD 450.000
R22 @ USD 350.000

... rough guess

If you just want to rent that R22, take about $100 bucks off of that guess.

,...and I live in one of the most expensive states, some guys are flying 22's for even less!

malabo 15th May 2018 21:50


Seems to me that a basic trainer that doesn't want to disassemble itself in midair or rollover with the merest hint of lateral movement and is easy to auto is a pretty good thing.
Sure, if someone else is paying for it, or if you don't have the talent to complete the licence in the regulatory minimum with the R22 but think you might with the more benign Cabri. Otherwise the piece of paper at the end that says Commercial looks exactly the same and only your bank account knows the difference.

I really like the Cabri, I instruct and think it is a much better trainer, just too bad it isn't priced lower than an R22.

r22butters 15th May 2018 23:34

Here's a place that has both.

Helicopter Flight Training Packages & Pricing : Eat Sleep Fly ®

So, given that school's pricing,...

For the 200 hours you need to teach in the R22 its $61,000.
With the Cabri you should only need 150 hours to teach (no SFAR 73) so its $58,500.

Not much of a difference for you students I guess,..if you can do it all in just 150 hours, and someone out thre will hire a 150 hour Cabri CFI?

For me though, as just a renter, its $105 more per hour to go joyriding around, so again no thanks!

KNIEVEL77 21st May 2018 16:48


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10147551)
How much more is the Cabri than the Robinson to buy and run?

Seems to me that a basic trainer that doesn't want to disassemble itself in midair or rollover with the merest hint of lateral movement and is easy to auto is a pretty good thing.


It is a good thing but I’ve noticed here in the UK FTOs are still going mainly down the Robinson route, probably down to cost.


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