Agusta (not Augusta!)
 

Could someone please supply the hourly fuel burns on the 109C, 119, Power & Elite? Cheers & thanks

Whats an Augusta? ;)

From Wikipedia

Augusta: a feminine form of the name of the Roman Emperor Augustus, is also part of the original Latin names of many ancient places. As populations spread, they took the names with them.

Other meanings of Augusta
Augusta (plant)
Augusta (beer), from Germany
Historia Augusta, the Latin name of Augustan History, a half-mockumentary biography of the Roman Emperors of the 1st and 2nd century.
Augusta (spider) is a spider genus (Araneidae)
Augusta (comic), a long-running comic strip by Angus McGill and Dominic Poelsma
Augusta (band), a classical folk rock band from Toronto, Canada.
Augusta (cigar), a hard to find brand of cigar, manufactured in Brazil.
Augusta Heritage Festival, an annual summer music and heritage festival in the U.S. state of West Virginia.

Its an Italian made helicopter, obviously not only rotor heads venture this fourm:confused:

I have never heard of a helicopter manufacturer called Augusta either.
I wonder if he means Agusta. Its possible isnt it!

At an altitude of 8000 FT AMSL the Power A109E burns about 200 KG/HR using Max Cont Pwr.

At sea level it burns more than that.

A119 at around 5000 ft DA burns 180 kg/hr at MCP.
GAGS
E86

Between the late 70's and late 80's, the NSW Public Education System stopped kids from having to learn "spelling words" at home, ceased teaching English Grammar, syntax, semantics, language constructs, etc. Generally speaking, this is why a whole generation now in their 30's and 40's, having come through the public education system have trouble spelling or writing English properly. See how he spells "forum" as "fourm" and also "Agusta" as "Augusta". Classic examples of the NSW system trying to nurture creativity first, at the expense of spelling. Just my observation from hiring people from that generation in NSW. Thank goodness things have gone back to how they were before this botched experiment.

Amzanig huh? Yaeh, and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was
ipmorantt!

What's with all the smart arse replies? The guy asked for the fuel burn rates - it was clear what he was after. This is a forum for pilots, not fricken english teachers!

I believe that frickin' is a street contraction of the word 'freaking' - a politer emphasis than the other f-verb.

I suspect that fricken is a mis-spelling, and that wheatbix (who can't even spell his own user name properly) is showing himself to be another product of that era of NSW education.

Or edyookayshun, as he mite sa.

This is bloody great, carry on lads, who will hit who first, sorry, whom will hit whom first.

The language of Shakespeare
 

Yes it is. However, being a pilot doesn't exclude you from taking the trouble to spell and write properly.

Jackonicko, you made me laugh at your comments on wheatbix. He is doing asbestos he can.......

Well excuse ****in' me, a gazillion apologies for my blatant error in spelling AGUSTA incorrectly, I was only after a simple fuel burn, not the childish pedantic ravings that have followed suit, & I thought this was a professional pilots forum. Many thanks for those kind enough to respond with the appropriate answers even with the misspelling. :\

Homework:

Look up 'banter'

Toughen up

Get a sense of humour

(and they talk about whingeing poms, yet it's always Aussies who bitch and whine....., giving the good uns a bad name) :rolleyes:

Actually my friend I came through after that change in the schooling system when it was reverted to how it was before. And yes, I realise that in fact the cereal is spelt "Weet-bix", and when I chose a username all those years ago it wasn't supposed to be spelt like this.

Of course it doesn't exclude us, however, it shouldn't mean that each time I come on here I need my English dictionary and thesaurus to keep you lads happy. He made a spelling mistake. So what? At least you could help him with what he was after and politely remind him that he spelt the name wrong after making such a big deal about it.

I didn't come here to get in an arguement, but i seemed to have ended up in one anyway. Just help the guy with what he needs to know and we can all be on our way :)

Aye I think its called "Banter" :)

Punctuation
 

Actually Garfs, I think it's called "punctuation". You need a comma between "Aye" and "I", and "its" should have an apostrophe, as you are using the abbreviated form of "it is".................all the guy was after was a sensible answer to a reasonable question about fuel burn.:(

It's 'WeetAbix' over here in the motherland. I think the owner of the aforementioned cereal has something to do with Augusta's too.

Yes Andy and I think you need to look up the word banter, or sense of humour even

A109E Fuel Burn
 

hi rotors88,

the 109E with the PW 206C Engines burns about 230-240 kg/hour with ECS (AC, Environmental control system)) ON at an altitude between 500 and 3000 ft amsl and 80% Trq (Recommende Cruise). Without ECS its supposed to be 4% less.
If you calculate 240kg/hr you are safe.
Don't know about the A,C,S model and 119.

cheers

rb

Sense of humour
 

What do you mean i've no sense of humour, Garfs?

I had a laugh at you making another punctuation error by missing the full-stop at the end of your last post. :)

Andy, please rearrange the following words to construct a well-known sentence:-

Skating are thin on ice you

Capital "I" for I please, but I can recognise that as a typo as I can for most of the other so-called spelling mistakes - cut the guy some slack. If you really want to read some appalling English, pop over to Professional Training; you'll have a field day there!

Impress, it should be "who will hit whom first".

Cheers

Whirls

Andy

You obviously need to lighten up a bit.

We could be here all day discussing spelling, punctuation, grammar etc, something which you're not clearly an expert on either as shown in your last post(as kindly pointed out by Whirls), but life's too short :)

Cheers
Garfs

Whirls, diagnosed with dyslexia at the age of 8 and have never looked back since. Thank good for spell checker but where the fwck is the grammar checker on this poxy bill gates machine ?

There is one in MS Word; it underlines stuff in green but it's not very good. It doesn't understand that "none" is singular and it won't pick you up for putting prepositions at the end of sentences!!

However, I will!

Cheers

Whirls

oops
 

Fair enough:D

The problem as I see it, is a lackadaisical approach to writing, regardless or not you went through that poor period of NSW education. Take for example:

The reason you would use a reference like an English dictionary or a "T"hesaurus is because you need to check or double check a word when you are applying yourself to writing something more esoteric than the average vocabulary allows. A post on PPRUNE hardly requires that "each time I come on .....". It is an appalling indictment of English teaching standards in Australia and I guess, of the author's opinion that subject matter is more important than the delivery. It is not.

As for spelling and grammar checkers:

I have a spelling chequer -
It came with my Pea See.
It plane lee marks four my revue
Miss steaks aye can knot sea.
Eye ran this poem threw it,
Your sure reel glad two no.
Its vary polished in it's weigh,
My chequer tolled me sew.

Why a capital "T" for thesaurus? It's just an ordinary noun?!

Cheers

Whirls



....your spelling nemesis

I just read this thread for the first time. I only looked because I saw that my esteemed friend Whirls had just posted, and I thought: "Oooooo, if she knows about Agustas then maybe she's flying one, and if so, I want to know about it!"

What do I find? Firstly, Whirls hasn't flown an Agusta, any more than I have. :{ I'm working on it though; maybe soon. :)

Secondly, it's turned into a long discussion on English grammar. Errrr....why? I read it through; it all made sense. Everyone communicated what they wanted to say quite adequately, and that's what writing is about - communication.

In my other work as a writer I have to check every word - though I don't bother usually; I let the sub-editor do it for me. On PPRuNe, the only times I get upset are if something is incomprehensible or ambiguous due to poor spelling or grammar. This wasn't the case here, so why the fuss?

This is an information and chat forum, not a masterpiece of English literature that's in the running for the next Booker Prize.

Edited to put in the question mark I missed out - not that anyone would have cared....ooops, the spelling police would!

Actually, I have but I couldn't log it :O

This thread has gone along the classic route (as do all these threads)

1. Someone posts a reasonable and polite question but it contains a (usually humourous) spelling mistake or typo.

2. Someone ese picks up on this and has a laugh at their expense or otherwise resorts to name-calling.

3. Someone else will answer the original question ignoring the diatribe that precedes their post.

4. Several "voices of reason" chip in accusing the original pedant of being unfair.

5. Opposing "voices of reason" chime in to give their viewpoint that both spelling and grammar are important and look how perfect their posts are and point out all the errors in everyone else's posts!!

6. Further pedants join in to point out that previous pedants are have used a flying apostrophe where they shouldn't or Oxford commas are SO out of fashion now'

7. The "voices of reason" pick on the original pedant pointing out that everyone is fallible.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose :ok:

Cheers

Whirls
Founding Member of the East Dereham Pedants' Society

Yeah, wotever, innit :E

rotors88,

Don't know if you are interested in the A109S as well, but it burns 210-220 kgs/hour in the cruise, at 80/80 torque set, or 230 Kgs/hr with the heater full on. But as you are in Oz, you probably don't need that last figure :p

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...que/A109S1.jpg

It is quite a fast cruise though for such a little heli; 150 kts loaded or 165 kts with just me in it!

I think you'll find it's 'plus c'est le même chose', Whirls - I think that comes under item 6. Now, what's the French for tin hat?

Nice try Rotarywise, but I think not!

Cheers

Whirls

Whirls is right; it's la meme chose. "Chose" is feminine; I just looked it up in my trusty pocket French dictionary.

Right, so now let's have an argument about French grammar too!

I know someone with a French Granmar......apparently she's a very nice lady.

Naturellement, Whirls est correct, c'est la même chose. I'm surprised Froggy pilot hasn't jumped in to help here :}. French is, of course, a delightfully illogical language which has, as so many other languages, gender for everything. I wonder who, or what, decides the gender of everything? Some of them are most confusing - but I won't go into that here!

Sorry, thread wander, mostly as a result of excessive consumption of trop de Château Guiot :}

Unlike German which has the neutral "das"; even more confusing especially when "girl" is "Das Mädchen"!

Since when were women "neutral"??!! Perhaps we won't go there either!

Cheers

Whirls

"excessive consumption of trop de Château Guiot" - I think you'll find that's tautological!:p

Ah quite, possibly due to excessive consumption........ at the time! :}