My friend was swatting up on his mountain flying notes, as he still wasn't sure of the 'substantial experience requirement', and thought this vid might be of interest to the competition!
:E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Em9-Fk3rxc

The guy in the right hand seat is TC, right? ;)

This goverment website suggests between £45k to £60k per year:

http://www.learndirect-advice.co.uk/...es/profile688/

Nice find Bertie, I particularly liked;

So night duties at certain places would get you top wack then???


Under the 'Annual Income' it does say between doesn't it?

inhospitable areas!
I bet you could get Travel Lodges to fall within that discription.

What about Woodhouse Moor HLS?

£54k, basic.

Surely salary would depend on which area of the country said police/HEMS pilot works? £54k in London is not that high a salary at all irrespective of profession. Up here in Noorrrfolk, it would be considered very comfortable indeed!

Cheers

Whirls

Whirls, that figure doesn't include London weighting. The Met boys are on a bit more :)

OK. Replace "London" with "Oxford"! It's still the same point in that uniform salaries across the country do not equate to a uniform standard of living. But that's public sector pay policies for you!

Cheers

Whirls

I phoned my local tax office and had no problems with getting the allowance. How unusual for a government department to give differing answers to the same question asked more than once.

Well done for getting your allowance Max Chat, especially if you are a police pilot.

BALPA fought a long battle to ensure all the Police and Hems guys got the same FREA (fixed rate expenses allowance) that BALPA had negotiated for commercial pilots.

This is what the Taxman finally said:


..... and if TC is happy to claim his allowance, I wonder if he will retract his snide comment about BA lapel badges?...... :hmm:

The job vacancy in Cumbria is still open for someone with the right background and qualifications. And as I said before, it would suit an AAC, and IR is not required. There are other duties that the person would be required to take up at times when not flying. There is quite a bit of trans-europe positioning, low flying, mountain flying, hot and high, confined areas and looking after the customers, unusual hours and long days. But it's interesting.

Hot and high in Cumbria? :)

Phil

Yeah, you might have to fly over Sellafield :} :eek:

Cheers

Whirls

Ah, central heating for kids....

Phil

A 3 fold salary increase in 10 years?
 

Just read that house prices have gone up 3 fold in the last 10 years. When I left Police work in '96 I was on 32K. now others are being offered 39k by a well known company. 54k sounds much more like a liveable figure which takes into consideration the risks and conditions of the job.

Bertie check your pm's please

TC,

Remember...don't employ anyone who is unlucky!

Take all the applications, shuffle them about a bit, and then shred and bin half of them.

SS
Thanks to David Brent!

TC,

No agenda, but would be interested in how many have applied and how many you are considering.

WL

What Limits. Application closing date was yesterday. We appear to have 6 responses!! Not had time to sift yet. Compared to 4 yrs ago when there were 16 and 2 yrs previous to that 24. Spoken to numerous other operators and there is a stark shortage of suitable pilots, it seems. Time for a market correction perhaps???? Another operator has had even less applications than this.
Oooh err.

I'm surprised at the low numbers TC.

As my earlier post, perhaps something is amiss, as I know of one person who sent in the CV etc right at the start and despite now being past the closing date, still no application forms!

Were these application forms actually applicable for this post, or will the interview invitations be going out based on CV, photo, letter information?

SS

'beth ewyllysia bod, ewyllysia bod'.

I would apply myself, but not at the pay rates. Market forces prevail and one eventually gets what one pays for.

That sounds arrogant, it's really not meant to be:O . IMHO, Police pilots in UK have been undervalued for years, especially taking into account the qualifications / experience required.

I was also interested but have taken a stand on the salary issue too, and not applied. I have also decided not to apply for one or two other police jobs on the same basis. Just one person's view but perhaps repeated?

Because it is of interest to me, I have been enquiring about the going rate. It seems to vary quite a lot. I was also told that one of the major contracting organisations was paying £39K for police line pilots. Another smaller one is paying £45K, while yet another (probably soon to be an ex police contractor) is paying various rates covering that range and more.

Silsoe Sid: If you know of anyone who has applied for an application pack but not received one, get them to e-mail me on here ASAP and I will guarantee to review their CV. As you said the applications are few in number and if someone out there is qualified and has missed out, I'd love to know about it please?

Many thanks,

TC.

Helinut, you should invest while the market is low...it can only go one way;)

Having re-re-read the thread, I am very surprised and in wonder that with TC earlier saying ;


Why were there only 6 applicants?

Let me put it in perspective Silsoe:
We have had 6 applicants. A neighbouring police unit has had less success. The Welshpool Air Ambulance is finding difficulty supplying anyone to work there full time and so too is the Caernarfon Air Ambulance.
A police force down south can't find pilots and even one of the biggest service providers who advertised at the same time as us, is finding difficulty filling their vacancies.
I can only assume that the market has reached rock bottom and most pilots have been scooped up. It can only auger well for salaries methinks?
I remember a thread about 3 yrs ago discussing our (pro pilots) position on the salary ladder. Where exactly do we come in comparison to say doctors/accountants/tanker drivers/train drivers etc?

And why have my number of posts stopped going up?

Police Force down South?

How south?


As for the post numbers, the totals are updated on all your posts as you post new posts, so your previous post will have the same number of posts as your next post.

I can't speak for doctors etc but a Chartered Accountant in North Wales would be typically earning between 35k and 70k. This is a qualification that requires a degree and at least 3 years subsequent training to an academic level higher than ATPL!

Cheers

Whirls

PS Thomas, your post count looks fine unless you post on Jet Blast and then they do not count!

During my deliberations whilst defining the direct pilot contract, the police asked me to quantify the ATPL qualification. I was officially told by Bristol University (eventually) that an ATPL was equivalent to a two yr credit for a science degree. So that would fit in nicely with whirly's statement, no?

TC - I guess the number of applications received is a) a reflection of the terms offered for this post compared to the market and b) shows that the number of RW pilots leaving the military is now shrinking fast.

Unfortunately the OU doesn't recognise this apparent equivalency!
Here is a reply from an e-mail enquiry I sent them.
You can however get a few points from more recent Military flying courses;

http://www3.open.ac.uk/credit-transf...nal/index.shtm

I was officially told by Bristol University (eventually) that an ATPL was equivalent to a two yr credit for a science degre


Fixed Wing or Helicopter? The FW one has a higher standard. I get the OU's points about consistency, though.

Phil

police job
 

I think all you guys are getting a little bit anal about this job application... This thread has been running for weeks and I suspect most of the comments have been made by under qualified people. If you have what they want, then apply and negotiate your terms privately or get off the bus:{

One of the differences between Direct Employed police pilots and those working contracted operator is that direct employed come under rules similar to all public sector employees i.e. very, very little room for negotiation!

Cheers

Whirls

I never even got an acknowledgement or a reply either. Just because I'm over 60 and legally prohibited from flying single-pilot on operations such as this, doesn't mean that I'm completely gaga and incapable :mad: . I manage to fly 6 days a week in an environment considerably more hostile than North Wales, but that of sourse counts for nothing any more. Oh well, another few red infuriators too many in the short (remaining) slide to the grave :\

Soggyboxers, I did respond to your PM, that's if you are the gentleman with 11000+ hrs and working in Nigeria??
You answered your own question. How could we possibly take you on (even though your quals are outstanding) if you can't fly for us legally?

Time to close this thread now I think eh?

Just as I was girding my loins for a full-blowm macro-economic treatise on employment markets and supply and demand, you want to close the thread? Deprive a girl of her fun eh? :rolleyes: :}

Cheers

Whirls

Dear Whirls,

Is girding one's loins similar to putting on yer Kevlar Y-fronts?

Closed
 

Closed at TC's request (as thread originator) as the deadline for applications is now passed.