R22 Crash Stockport
 

Just watched Granada News North West.

Just shown a R22 that had crashed in Stockport, the heli was on its side on a snow covered field.

Both occupants were ok!

I saw the picture on TV. Massive coning on the blades low RRPM. Maximum 70% RRPM on landing very luckly, No doubt pilot error

Only two posts, and the speculating and blame has begun. Very disappointing.

You should offer your services to the AAIB. I'm sure they'd pay you a fortune for your brilliant skills.


Chiseller.

Dummy,

Curved blades with ripples low rrpm pilot error end of of story

No, not end of story. That will be decided by the AAIB.

....Unless you were the pilot?

It may well be pilot error but youre just guessing aren't you?
Can you cast your expert eye on this and let us know the cause. We're still unsure;
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-...0/Picture1.jpg


In fact, email me. We have a shed load of incidents and accidents that need clearing up double quick time. Should save the Crown a ton of dosh.

Do you water divine too?

c_f were you there ?

Thought not, so keep your nonsense to yourself.

...er... I can a bit and I know someone who's quite good at dowsing but it probably wouldn't help in Air Accident Investigation unless you'd lost some of the parts!

Cheers

Whirls

It is clear that the Lynx incident above was caused by an inadvertant inflation of a dinghy pack inside the aircraft! :rolleyes:
Next!

cf,
any helicopter powered into the ground weather it be at 100 percent or 55 percent rrpm is still going to bend cone the blades up under the weight of all the **** under turning them ,and give it the nice little ripple effect ..

i was there and i have photos. It was low rotor rpm. The horn came on a 400ft downwind going real slow. The pilot lowered the lever slightly and the passenger also a pilot without duals dumped the lever at 80% rrpm he then bend the lever on the way up about six ft to cushion the landing. The helicopter then rolled to one side.

No i wasn,t in the machine

Maybe someone got out the fly spray... Anyone got a link for the news item ??

SL

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....er_crash_.html

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/Co...il_0_Image.jpg

Pilot error or not..
 

Good to see that both walked away... :)

:=

You saw the picture on TV :mad:
I don't suppose you gave any thought that it could be a design error, or even the result of something a previous pilot could have caused......did you?

In anticaption of recreating the furore that surrounded the previous threads about R22 accidents, I am glad the pilot and passenger are OK.

Check out the comments from "Andrew, France" on the MEN link!

Cheers

Whirls

Lol. What a tube stick.


Yep, agree glad both were unhurt.

RATTLE

I posted what I saw on TV! I was not aportioning blame to anybody about the incident!

I am glad that they walked away from this, I was worried that the ship looked like G GROUT, I know the owner who lives on the Wirral, and the press said that one of the guys was from the wirral.

So for F---S sake chill out!!

People post threads on here and all they get is a load of shi- thrown back. We are not making out when and why these incidents happen or who if anyone is to blame, But if we can all pick up the relavant reports from the AAIB when they are published and hopefully learn where others have fallen then hopefully we can pick up a few pointers to help us all in our daily flying :ugh:

Pennine Boy,
I dn't think Rattle was blaming you; I think he meant the person who posted after you. But.....
I entirely agree. I saw that there were eighteen posts, and thought I might find something useful about which aircraft, who was invoved, etc. But no, just speculation - which seems natural to me - complaints at speculation, complaints of complaints.....etc etc. :ugh:

I also agree. 'Knee-jerk' reactions to informed speculation.

This is a/the rumour network. .

Censorship by humiliation :rolleyes:

I made an educated guess to what happened and i was spot on low RRPM / heavy landing.

But all the usual suspects jump up and down like schoolboys.

Silsoe sid i suggest you get round to your AME and get him to have a look at you. DESIGN ERROR clown

The machine was G BOUT.

No, Cylclic Flare, that is not a guess, educated or otherwise.

Whirly - Thanks. Very kind of you to step in there. I obviously was commenting about the second post, not yours PB. The AAIB can presumably do their investigations from a photo in the newspaper now.

This is not an anti-Robinson thread. This is a general point (that has now been raised by others) that we cannot and should not apportion blame so easily.

If CF ever has the misfortune of being involved in an accident, I hope his "peers" are not so quick to claim pilot error without a full investigation. If somebody had been injured or worse, would he be so quick to post?
We know these posts are read by non-aviation types including press and families. Do we need to be so quick to point the finger, even if you may turn out (after a long investigation by the real experts) to be correct?

If I may recall an earlier post about R22 blades,
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...94#post1703194

Doesn't sound like a very good design to me and that is you saying this could happen!

But then again I have only got that bit of knowledge from an expert!

Interesting about kinked blades though!!
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=159934

you sure it wasn't G-ROUT?? G-Bout comes up as a Nelson Cri-Cri??

G-Rout probably means it was Mike * onboard. Hope he's ok.

Birdstrike, could be either an emu, penguin or a Dodo, but without a doubt.....

As this is a "guess what caused the crash" thread!
IMO this could be one of the Lynxs loss of tail rotor control which led to the crew executing an EOL which unfortunately due to the soft ground led to a skid digging in leading to it ending up on its side..... judging by the coning on the blades and the MRH pitch control rod positions... :8 mmm or it could be a dodo :eek:

R22 helicopter crash Stockport 22ND Jan
 

As a high time R22 Pilot, leaving my site in Romiley, I flew to Chester to collect the Owner of G-ROUT at 9.20am on the 22nd
At this point, the owner of the aircraft, flew me back to the initial take off site. On arrival at the site, approx 10.40am, we approached the site at 150ft....in a still hover. All seemed well and as a passenger of the aircraft, I was not alarmed at the approach, but at 100ft the low rotor alarm sounded. The aircrafts tail yawed to the left. At a first glance the carb heat was full out but then looking to the right the rotor RPM was at 80% with a voilent right yaw. As a co-pilot with no duals?? At this point we were 100 ft from the ground, and all went wrong...the solution to this would have been ??........ the comments are valued here...we both walked away to tell the tale!

As a medium time R22 owner and pilot, I think you did an incredible job to walk away from that. I will not venture to offer advice, but I will read the suggestions from those vastly more experienced than myself with great interest.

Well done that man. Glad you and the other chap managed to walk away.


Don't forget to submit your accident report to cyclic_flare though. :ok:

Think I would have had a few loud words to say to the pilot coming to a hover at a 150 feet !!!! Who trains these guys !!!!!!!! :ugh:


SL

it was a bad judgement at the time, i was thinking he was doing a closed area slow decent landing of some sort as a practice, but by the time of no return it was to late 80% 100 feet with only my right hand ?

Glad you both walked, well err probably crawled away from it I bet you needed a stiff drink afterwards :D
Was the landing site surrounded by obstacles? is that why the owner came to a 150' still hover
I see, just read your last post :ok:

the tail yawed to the left?? surely you mean nose?

nose dip and left yar yery fast, by the time i knew what was happenining it was all over, until youve being there 1 sec is a long time, you just act instinctiveley. and still here !

Lucky escape
 

Very glad you got out OK that is the most important thing - never mind the machine. The statistics do not stack up well in your favour if it goes pear shaped at over 40ft in a Robbo - so well done :D , I doubt many of us could have done any better.

I know it is impossible to pin the cause down without a proper investigation but do you think it could have been carb icing? What were the ambient conditions?

I only ask as I have experienced what I believe to have been carb icing in an R22 I used to own with full carb heat applied.


SB

both well Grouts need some attention nothinging to do with aircraft design just the wrong time and place, flying soon

Mark

defernatley not carb iceing, the slide was right out, and confered on impact, as the passanger this is something that i could control,

FBK

Congrats on the recovery, and glad you both got out in one piece. Very interesting that you have been brave enough to come on here and tell the real story. Hopefully the speculation will stop now, and the AAIB can find the cause of the low RPM so we can all learn.