Oh, and by the way...

Been done numerous times, yet nothing seems to change. Funny that.

JimL posted :

JAR-OPS 3 regulates only in the area of CAT; HHO training is not within the designation of CAT because it does not involve the "transport of passengers, cargo or mail for remuneration or hire".

Are you sure about that Jim? Consider the case of Air Ambulance "X" who lease their heli from PAS (for example). ALL flying is done on PAS' AOC using PAS pilots, and every hour flown - including training the paramedics how to winch - is paid for by the AA.

PAS receive money = remuneration = CAT.

Or am I missing something?

Flaxton,

I am not interested in this becoming a hypothetical discussion where we construct suitable cases to suit our purposes.

This is training with Crew Members (as defined in JAR-OPS 3.988) - it is not CAT. Under your hypothesis all proficiency tests could be CAT as could Air Tests with Engineers on board. Under the auspices of JAR-OPS and ICAO Annex 6, there are no passengers on board - they are all Crew Members.

Jim