The scene is set - incl Low Flying rules and Is there a 'cultural divide'?
 

The scene is set
A beautiful British summer evening .
The village pub is almost full
The tables on the lawn are also full
The carpark like wise
Then WRRR,WRRR, WRRR, WRRR,WRRR,
WRRR,WRRR, WRRR, WRRR,WRRR,WRRR.
WRRR,WRRR, WRRR, WRRR,WRRR,WRRR.
A long comes a shiny yellow Robinson R22
Lands in a small car parking space
ALONG SIDE side the cars
The lone pilot walks in the bar,
Drinks a beer
wanders back to the car park
and flies away.
NOT EXACTLY THE IMAGE I WISH TO PROMOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FACT NOT RUMOUR!!!!!!! GRRR,GRRR

Only one pint? Bloody wimp :rolleyes:

No, I'm joking.

Where abouts?
 

Did you see this with your own eyes? or is it hearsay?

Where abouts in the UK are you talking about?

If this is true surely someone will have noted the registration for forwarding to the CAA?

Chester.

How do you know he was drinking beer? :hmm:

...Replace 'pilot' with 'ranger' and you got yourself a cowboy/gal :hmm:

"Lands in a small car parking space ALONG SIDE the cars"
I'm sure the owners were pleased about having an industrial sized blender parked ALONG SIDE their cars in such a tight area. A village being a village, would there not of been an open field a stones throw away perhaps?..sounds extremely confined to me;)

chester2005
 

Its true all right
I am not prepared to name the pilot, or the registration
but would confirm that the pub is on the edge of the A40 main road

TOT - with respect I am not sure of the point of this topic.

If you feel so aggrieved why not tell a grown up or be brave and tells us the Reg.

Man and wife fly to posh restaurant in super flashy twin. Grass and stones are blown over parked cars and nearby guests sitting outside. A grand arrival and everyone is impressed. After the meal which includes wine, man and wife depart in same super flashy twin. Is this any different to the R22 man who allegedly drank a beer. Whats wrong with having a beer anyway.

Good on him, why don't you all just calm down and stop being a bunch of british prats. After all it is a helicopter?

Chairman:

Does the term "risk threshold" ring any bells ?

"I got away with that last time, so a little more won't hurt" - and so on and so on ad infinitum or ad crash. With luck the pilot will only take themselves with them, not clobber poor unfortunates on the ground too.

What a pack of pussycats you Poms are!

In a big bushfire season not too long ago, an R22 landed outside the pub in the town of Broke in the Hunter Valley.

THREE men got out of it, went into the bar and scoffed a few coldies, then hopped back in and flew back to their base.:ooh: :eek: :sad: :8

Wait, where does the third chap go? A 22 is barely big enough for 2 normal-size people as is! :eek:

At the risk of being totally politically incorrect, I'd be a bit concerned if someone landed close to cars/objects/people in a car park; otherwise, how many beer drinkers in t'pub climbed into their cars and then drove home, some after considerably more than one pint (of shandy, perhaps)?

Not too many years ago, a pint (or two) at lunchtime in the wardroom was quite normal, and the Frogs would go a step better and have a litre of wine on the lunch table :p All followed by 'Hands to Flying Stations' ;)

With advancing years my preference is for a cup of caffeine, and commercial operations preclude any alcohol at all, but I'm blowed if I'd feel terribly aggrieved if I saw a PPL doing what I (and many of my friends) would have thought quite acceptable. Does the green eyed God of Jealousy have anything to do with the disapproval shown here?

If the above is so why do private flights not "preclude any alcohol"? What reason for not consuming alcohol on a commercial operation is absent on a private flight?

Genuine question...

Got to say I have no problems with landing for a spot of refreshment, but..

If I had my pile of shiny metal parked in the CAR park, and some dimwit's downwash pebble dashed it for me, I'd be less than happy. As someone said earlier, wasn't there a field or something nearby??

Whether the guy was doing anything dangerous is up for debate I suppose, (I'm being deliberately liberal here) however it was in the least, a bit inconsiderate.

Without wishing to whip up an argument, with regard to the input from the Southern hemisphere, are we really comparing apples with apples here?

Attitude
 

I have to agree with TOT on this issue.

Regardless of questions of legality relating to his landing and the proximity of vehicles, suitability of site etc (this is a separate issue and if rules are broken action should be taken), my feeling is that the primary point here is IMAGE.

We have all come across pilots propping up a bar tellling you how wonderful they are - that's just human nature and sadly the type of people drawn to flying seem to represent a high proportion of these tossers, however:

Our overriding concern should be to the image we create as pilots and we should always try to operate in a neighbour-friendly fashion to minimise the amount of flak that we will receive.

How many times have you worked on a airfield and the biggest moaner is the guy who lives by the runway threshold. It is hard enough to pacify someone whose life is surrounded by aviation and has grown "used" to normal aviation practice, without trying to create an impression of professionalism and safety to non-aviation related parties by cavalier acts of show.

This incident only throws fuel on the fire - I can't believe the pilot was SO thirsty that this was his only option - more likely it was an attempt to demonstrate the chord-length of his genitalia and only enhances the impression of pilots being up their own backsides.

Just read the thread regarding the village in uproar over a private owner keeping his helicopter on his property.

With such restrictive legislation in our industry, we should be making every effort to limit further regulation by operating considerately. Incidents such as this by the limited "few", spoil the overall environment for the "many" and as such we shouldn't perpetuate the process.

Flying into pubs / restaurants etc is fun and we shouldn't restrict this. That is one reason why people take their PPL's. However, a well coordinated, considerately planned and thoughtful arrival will demonstrate good airmanship, portray an image of professionalism and safety and enhance our reputation not diminsh it.

I think that the pilot in question should be made aware of the impression they are creating in the hope they will learn some humility and see how it looks from the outside.

As a final point, those statements about "prats", "pussycats" etc, just demonstrate your ineptitude (look it up as I doubt you have the intellect to know its meaning !).

Its to$$ers like you that ruin it for the rest of us - nobody is impressed by your faux-bravado and it seems the only person blissfully unaware of what a prick you sound like, is you. It is NOT big and NOT clever.

Parre ... reposte.

FO

BFD
 

There was no comment on, if the car park was sealed or not.
There was no comment on, if there was any down way disturbance or close to the actual parked vehicles.
There was no comment if the said aviator had one of those pussy alcohol free beers commonly available.:{

Pull your heads in people. What a bunch of he said she said kindergarten krap!

There is actually one operator that operates a “Pub Crawl” by helicopter, and I tell you it’s the best fun since sliced bread.:D

If you want to put in rules against this and rules against that and wrap everything in cotton wool then you may as well not get out of bed.:ugh:

John has it right,

“Does the green eyed God of Jealousy have anything to do with the disapproval shown here?”

I think so:E

does it matter what reg it was the reg does not confirm who the pilot was
especially if it was from a school

just out of interest how many yellow robbies are there out there in the uk possibly no more that 5 but i may stand corrected

tot
it cant be one of northern england yellow robbies i think they have broke them all

Nothing to do with jealousy. Alcohol and flying don't mix. Period.

However, if only a soft drink was involved, isn't that what personal helicopters are for? Assuming other people are not inconvenienced, of course.

Phil

TWOTBAGS

Clearly not, as it was full, as described in original post.

Yes there was...And if your fifty grand motor was one of the ones in the car park, you'd be just as understanding.. right??:rolleyes:


Simple analysis here from FlightOops..

NAIL, HEAD, HIT.:ok:

Dropping your Robbie in a car park full of cars is either an indicator of fundamental stupidity and ill thought out flying.. or a complete arrogant disregard for anyone elses cars. How would it be recieved if someone dumped his car on an active helipad while he popped to the nearest bar for a swift one...?? Extreme example..?? Maybe, but true all the same!!!:rolleyes:

TOT - you seem to be p**sed off at the actions of this pilot and rightly so! So for the sake of the rest of us do something about it.

If the R22 is privately owned then that is one thing, however if it belongs to a flying school then I would mention it to them...

Students do some of the stupidist things..and they will have the records to show who was flying...may do us all a favour.

john/twotbags
i know who tot is and i can assure you that tot would not be jealous of anyone flying a robbie ive seen tot in md 902,600,500,520,enstromwhole range j/r infact the whole shooting match

hold it a moment disregard that tot would be jealous of anyone in a r22 as there is no way he would fit in one and if he did squeze in one it would be too heavy to lift Lol

Wasn't there a Rule 5 somewhere?

Phil

if the R22 pilot is out there, then come forward with your version of events please!

chester2005As it happened in the UK, there's a very high chance someone (or several) did.


TOTIf you were so bothered about that (enough to tell everyone on the forum about it), why didn't you introduce yourself as a fellow pilot and tell him in a friendly pilot-to-pilot way?
If your concern was valid, he would have had a chance to learn from it.
If he disagreed with your opinion, you could just agree to differ.

Same question.
Why didn't you speak to him and discuss it?
If it was normal beer (not the non-alcoholic copy) it might have deterred him from taking off, or from doing it again, for flight safety and 'image' reasons.
Even if non-alcoholic, it might have made him consider the 'image' aspect in future.


paco
Which part of Rule 5 have you got in mind?
The 500' requirement doesn't apply to landing and taking off or we'd be in breach at many private sites.



Heliport

Maybe it was non alcoholic beer tha he had prearranged with the manager...who knows he may be a diabetic & cant drink the real stuff?? !!!
:8


MAYbe that was his 7th or 9th pub on the way home?
:ouch:

Maybe he didnt care about other peoples cars, thats why he flys.
:E

I dont think its a good thing knocking one down then jumping back in , maybe if he didnt draw so much attention to himself prior to the beer ( landing right there ) that no one would have known.

Maybe he thought it was 8 minutes from bottle to throttle not 8 hrs. its a common mistake when you are a little pissed !
:uhoh:

Ammendment to HELOFAN'S personal rules #3....
Thou shalt not fly in R22's
(no matter of colour even yellow ones)

:=

HF

Different slant
 

Guys,

Just a small observation. It seems like there are some cultural acceptances here round the world for what is acceptable and what is not relating to wether one should drink and fly. :=

But how many can put their hands up and say they flew the next morning hanging out of their back sides, because they were in the bar the night before getting trashed..:E

I would say that there is a fair few where this is true.

MD :(

T:} he 'Scene is set'.............but maybe it was a non-alcoholic beer! Imagine that!!!

lartsa,

Thanks for the verification of TOT: unfortunately I can only go on his history, which shows a propensity of posting a contentious opening line, then failing to reappear and verify the accusation; check his posting history. There is a similar trawl on D & G at the moment which went to five pages of accusations against the Coffs Harbour Council airport, until the council responded negating the accusation. Guess what, there is no one coming forward to verify the original accuser nor the accusation :rolleyes:

I find the concept of an R22 landing amongst cars in a full pub car park, as stated, to be slightly strange. No one came to bail up the pilot for being too close to their car? The publican blithly accepted a strange visitor to his premises and served him a pint, then watched him go on his way? What about the tables and pub full of patrons: not one of them bothered enough to say or do anything?

I said in my first post that , and that stands. But the self righteousness of TOT and the lack of verification concerns me, along with the grandstanding that goes on with the assumption that everything reported is factually 100% correct.

With all this debating going on, has anyone stopped to think that the poor pilot has to fly to the pub because he has no car licence due to a DUI.
Give the pilot a chance.
Hey its your shout co-pilot.

set the scene
 

Hello Everyone,

I am the pilot who along with my mate decided to call into the pub at the side of the A40 a couple of weeks ago,I cannot believe all of the bull**** that has been printed with regard to my "pitstop" along with the views of all you (so called) super pilots out there,however I now realise and understand how rumour's start,let us begin by not letting the truth get in the way of a good story.

Let me explain the events of that day,but first of all allow me to tell you of my experience i am 60 years old and have been flying for the past twenty five years,i have more that 6000 hrs on fix wing and 1000 hours rotary,300 of them were aquired on the Robbo 22 within the last twelve months,on the day in question we were returing to swansea from wellesbourne pushing a 35knot headwind we were both tired and thirsty when we spotted what we thought was a suitable pub to have a coffe and a sandwich,we made an approach and landed on some grassy ground in front of the car park,there was plenty of room and was in my opinion a safe although some (inexperienced) pilots would say "tight" spot to land. The landord made us very welcome and invited both myself and any of my friends to visit at anytime,he pointed out that he also owned the field next door.(which is big enough for anyone)

I can highly reccomend the restaurant,the food is excellent and people are friendly,if you get an opportunity please go and have whatever takes your fancy,say hello to Stephen and Joanna for me ther name of the restaurant is the Hardwick,it's on the old Raglan Road, Abergavenny,Telephone no 01873854623,or you could email them on [email protected].

I had a sandwich and a lemonade followed by a coffee,my mate had a glass of wine and she also had a sandwich,no alcohol whatsoever!!!!!!!

I hope this has'nt spoilt a good story for all you sad bored people out there!!!!!
Why not go and have some fun instead of sitting at your computers inventing stories?

this has to be a wind up in the uk pilots dont just see a pub and go in for a drink of coffee and a sarni without permission from the land owner

tot is this the same pub or what ?
i may stand corrected but do others make a habit of landing at places unknown unanounced ?

its august 1st on tuesday not april 1st

sounds like a good reason to have a break. I'm familar with the area and the pub in question but dont you think it would have been safer to land in the private strip directly opposite the pub! Just as nice chap and licenced.

fair enough.

but... what if the pub landlord and come out screaming and shouting, and made a complaint to the CAA about you landing without the landowners permison? seems like a gamble to me

royston - you said in a post in nov 2004 you had 4000 hours fixed wing, and now you have 6000 hours. thats an average of 95 hours flown a month since nov 2004. out of interest - how did you manage that? sounds like an awfully lot.

so that means in 20 months you have amassed 2,400 hours which is 120 per month
are you sure

awww bless

don't be like that boysand girls - it must be the alzeimers that is affecting his maths!

35 kts headwind blah blah - complete TOSH.

YOU are ruining it for the rest of the considerate world who fly nicely!

Another doddery old 60yr old muppet. Great. That's OK then.

Ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

B-L:ugh:

Is it the law in Britain that you have to get the landowner's permission before you can legally land at a private site?

Can you be prosecuted if you don't and the UK CAA gets to hear of it?
Even if it was in a field miles from anywhere and some hiker reported you? :confused:

What's the offense? :confused:

Maybe one of the critics on this thread can take a break from criticizing and explain.


Anyways, if he didn't drink what's all the huff and puff about.
Who cares if he had permission if the landlord didn't complain.
Seems to me the only one who cared was TOT. :rolleyes:

B.

thats quite correct i have amassed thousands of hours because i fly a lot,something you lot ought to be doing instead of spending time inventing stories, the facts again (for those of you not quite up to understanding my last explanation) the site appeared to be able to accomodate helicopters,it could.The landlord welcomed me warmly in fact told me to drop (with my friends) at anytime,no alcohol was consumed,(exept by the passenger) i cannot see what law (if any) was broken i must be missing something here, what is the problem? it was (as it turned out) a bone fida helicopter site,so my judgement was correct on all counts ,god lads what world do you all live in?
If any of you do decide to drop in, for gods sake ger real lighten up be happy and have fun (remember that!!!!!!!!!!!)
just for the record i did'nt realise that there was an airfield just up the road,nevertheless i would still be happy to land again at this restaurant site!!!!!!!!!

OK. In with both feet. You never asked for permission. Big no-no. So you got a nice welcome. Nobody should try and land without the landowners' prior permission. You didn't know there was an airfield/ airstrip just up the road, inspires great confidence in your airmanship, planning and execution of the flight. As for the queries on this thread about your hours 120 a month is a huge amount especially allowing for those months when you can't fly four hours a day due to bad weather.

Don't fall in the trap....

IT WAS ME!

I have done 10000000 hrs since Jan (busy old month on the Robbo)

I am 21 (don't look a day of it)

We consumed loads of Bollinger

Blah Blah

The guy is either made up (more than likely) or a complete plonker. I go with the first line - and I hope that TOT files on the **********