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muffin 22nd Feb 2006 17:43

Cockpit placarding
 
Something that I have been curious about for a while..................

We are all familiar with the various placards that are required to be in the cockpit in view of the pilot. Some, such as "No pushovers allowed" or whatever the exact wording is are obvious and relevant in an R22. However, one about which I have wondered for a while is "Tip Weights Installed"

Why does the pilot need to know? Should he (she) care? Perhaps one of the experts can enlighten me.

helicopter-redeye 22nd Feb 2006 18:36

In the R22 will give another 0.01secs in autorotation compared to the unweighted variation, perhaps?

h-r:ouch:

hovering 22nd Feb 2006 18:42

How about 'PILOT MUST MONITOR ELECTRICAL LOADS AT ALL TIMES' under a volt/ammeter. Kind of takes away from, oh, I don't know, FLYING???

212man 23rd Feb 2006 06:25

Surely the most useless placard going has to be the S-76 Vne power off placard!

"Right, so I've just had a double engine flame out in IMC, let's sort out the priorities before I hit the ground; A) Check the Vne, B) ......";)

Brian Abraham 23rd Feb 2006 07:33

212man, One has to wonder why one is permitted to fly the thing above the auto speed then, doesn't one? Not being smart, just an observation.

maxeemum 23rd Feb 2006 09:05

no expert but the SPD for range in an auto is generally higher than the V MIN D SPD (Auto ish SPD) if you are going for range and you are at high DA or High altitude to may approach the Vne for that DA if you simply try to fly an IAS SPD you remembered from the flight manual for range at low DA.

Or maybe it is a use less placard?

How is oil and gas these days Brian? Say gidday to the boys from me.

Max

oldbeefer 23rd Feb 2006 09:20

Placard along side the GPSs in our Squirrels - 'equipment approved as class III may not be used where a mandatory requirement exists for the carriage of such equipment'. What does that mean?

212man 23rd Feb 2006 10:57

Maxeemum,
I see your point, up to a point! However the sorts of speeds in question are so high that they would yield eye watering rates of descent! I don't imagine many pilots would push much over 100 kts to try and get some range.

Brian, I would hope that the failures happened sequentially so you would have slowed below Vne before being in autorotation. Interesting point though.

Old Beefer, dunno mate!:bored:

helicopter-redeye 23rd Feb 2006 18:59


Originally Posted by oldbeefer
'equipment approved as class III may not be used where a mandatory requirement exists for the carriage of such equipment'. What does that mean?

It means lawyers have infiltrated the flight ops shed ....

h-r;)

Broadcast Control 23rd Feb 2006 21:25

Vne for autorotation is important in order to be able to maintain Nr (high drag on blades at high speed). Flying at speeds above max speed for autorotation should not be a problem as the excessive speed can be used to maintain or recover Nr (gentle flare). Perhaps there is a need for this particular placard???

deeper 23rd Feb 2006 21:44

I know where the doors are on a Robbie, the have exit signs on them.:}

Acomabird 24th Feb 2006 00:42

Not a Rotorhead, but I did get on a jet and see a placard next to the primary engine instrument stating "Right Engine Inop" .. .left out EPR. :hmm:

HeliEng 24th Feb 2006 06:56

deeper,

I agree that is a silly one. But then it is mandatory, because the CAA say so, so it's bound to be silly.

I think they actually specify that every exit must be placarded as such, inside and out, on every aircraft.

Wunper 24th Feb 2006 07:04

I think it was the late Norman Jones who founded the Tiger Club and insisted all their machines cockpits were placarded thus


"All Aeroplanes bite fools"


Short and to the point but thought provoking nonetheless and I bet it has saved a few lives over the years.
W

oldbeefer 24th Feb 2006 08:37

Bit like the bag of peanuts with the warning 'may contain nuts'.

Aesir 24th Feb 2006 09:52

[QUOTE][I know where the doors are on a Robbie, the have exit signs on them/QUOTE]

It´s a we´ll known joke among the rest of the world on the silliness of the UK CAA.

Unfortunately the EASA is bringing this to the rest of Europe.

MightyGem 24th Feb 2006 10:34


Placard along side the GPSs in our Squirrels - 'equipment approved as class III may not be used where a mandatory requirement exists for the carriage of such equipment'. What does that mean?
If the regs require that you are to carry GPS equipment, then that particular type is nor good enough for that purpose.

GLSNightPilot 24th Feb 2006 18:49

A possibly little-known fact, but a peanut is not a nut. It's a legume. There is a technical difference.

sprocket 24th Feb 2006 19:11

"Aircraft NOT to be flown without pilot"

Saw this one many years ago, with reference to the weight and balance.

407 too 24th Feb 2006 19:23


Originally Posted by sprocket
"Aircraft NOT to be flown without pilot"

Saw this one many years ago, with reference to the weight and balance.


shouldn't that be in the autopilot flight supplement - limitations, not weight and balance ???:D :D


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