Three Dead....Another Night Bad Weather Flight Over Dark Terrain
 

The NTSB report on the AirHeart One crash near Santa Rosa Beach, Florida has been published.

Some excerpts from the report.....

History of the Flight

On October 20, 2004, about 0043 central daylight time, a Eurocopter Deutschland BO-105 CBS5, N916SH, call sign Airheart One, registered to and operated by Metro Aviation, Inc., as a Title 14 CFR Part 91 emergency medical services (EMS) positioning flight, from Santa Rosa Beach, Florida, to DeFuniak Springs, Florida, crashed in Choctawhatchee Bay, near Santa Rosa Beach. Instrument meteorological conditions prevailed in the accident area at the time and a company visual flight rules flight plan was filed. The helicopter was destroyed and the commercial-rated pilot, paramedic, and flight nurse were fatally injured. The flight originated from Santa Rosa Beach at 0041.

Personnel from the Walton County, Florida, Emergency Operations Center, stated that at 0021 they received a call from Healthmark Hospital in DeFuniak Springs, requesting the Airheart One helicopter to transport a patient to West Florida Hospital in Pensacola, Florida. The dispatcher then contacted the pilot of Airheart One and advised him of the request. The pilot stated he would have to check the weather and get back to him. At 0035, the pilot called back and stated they would take the flight. At 0041, the paramedic on Airheart One called via radio and reported they were airborne with three persons on board, 2 hours 20 minutes of fuel, and an estimated time en route to Healthmark Hospital of 10 minutes. At 0043, the paramedic reported that due to weather they were returning to base. The dispatcher did not talk with the flight after this. At 0050, the dispatcher cleared the Airheart One call, believing that they were back at base due to the short flight time. At 0610, the relief pilot that was coming on duty called the Emergency Operations Center and advised that Airheart One was not at base. Search and rescue operations were initiated and the wreckage of the helicopter was located in Choctawhatchee Bay about 0820.

A witness, who was fishing on the northwest side of the Highway 331 bridge reported that between 0030 and 0100, he observed a helicopter flying from south to north parallel to the bridge on the east side. The weather was lightning and thunder and it was just starting to drizzle and rain. He observed the helicopter either fly into a big cloud or fly behind the big cloud. He then saw lightning. He then saw the helicopter making a "U Turn" toward the east and then descend at a 45-degree angle to the water. He observed the helicopter by the red light on the belly. He left shortly after this because of the rain.

Recorded radar data from Eglin Air Force Base showed that the flight departed the Walton County Sheriff's Department heliport and was first observed on radar at 0040:37 while at 300 feet, 1/10 of a mile east-southeast of the heliport. The flight climbed to 900 feet, while proceeding north bound, across the bay, flying parallel to Highway 331 Bridge. The flight then descended to between 700 and 800 feet. At 0042:18, the flight initiated a turn to the east and at 0042:49, the last radar contact was recorded when the flight was at 700 feet, flying on an east-southeast heading. This position was about 3/4 mile to the east-northeast of the crash site.


Meteorological Information

A meteorological study was performed by the NTSB Operational Factors Division. The study showed that at 2353 the Destin-Ft. Walton Beach Airport (KDTS), Destin, Florida, automated surface weather observation was winds 220 degrees at 7 knots, 200 degrees to 280 degrees variable, visibility 7 statute miles, ceiling 800 feet broken, temperature 79 degrees F., dew point temperature 75 degrees F., altimeter setting 29.94 inches of Hg., lightning distant north, ceiling 700 variable 1300. The airport is located 16.2 nautical miles west of the accident site. At 0053 the KDTS automated surface weather observation was winds variable at 6 knots, visibility 7 statute miles, ceiling 600 feet broken, 1,500 feet overcast, temperature 79 degrees F., dew point temperature 75 degrees F., altimeter setting 29.93 inches of Hg., lightning distant southeast.

The 2355 surface weather observation taken at the Valparaiso/Okaloosa-Eglin AFB (KVPS) was winds 210 at 5 knots, visibility 7 statute, clouds 800 feet scattered, ceiling 2,000 feet overcast with thunderstorm, temperature 77 degrees F., dew point temperature 77 degrees F., altimeter setting 29.94 inches Hg., thunderstorm northeast and east moving southeast. The airport is located 20 nautical miles west-northwest of the accident site. The 0055 surface weather at KVPS was winds 230 at 5 knots, visibility 7 statute, clouds at 800 feet scattered, ceiling 1,700 feet broken with thunderstorm, overcast at 4,000 feet, temperature 77 degrees F., dew point temperature 77 degrees F., altimeter setting 29.93 inches Hg., thunderstorm northwest and north moving southeast.

Weather radar data obtained from the Eglin AFB Doppler Weather Radar System show that weak weather echoes were present in the area of the accident at the time of the accident. Additionally, an intense to extreme weather echo was present about 10 nautical miles north of the accident site.
At the time of the accident Airmet IFR MIAS WA 200145 was in effect for the accident area. The Airmet called for occasional ceiling below 1,000 feet, visibility below 3 miles, precipitation, mist, and fog. The Airmet was issued at 2045 on October 19, 2004, and was valid until 0300 on October 20, 2004.


The General Operations Manual establishes weather minimums for night visual flight rules EMS helicopter operations. The minimums are visual ground light reference, enough to properly control the helicopter, and existing or forecast weather for the duration of the flight should be obtained from a flight service station, weather bureau, automated weather observing system, ect., or the pilot's own observations. For local flights within 30 nautical miles of base the cloud ceiling should be a minimum of 800 feet agl and visibility greater than 2 miles. For preflight planning the cloud ceiling should be 1,000 feet agl and visibility should be 3 miles.
Metro Aviation, Inc. pilots reported to NTSB that on occasion the Sacred Heart Health System, Flight Program Coordinator would question a pilot's decision to not perform a flight because of poor weather conditions. An NTSB Human Performance Investigator and the NTSB Investigator-In-Charge conducted interviews with the Metro Aviation, Inc., Lead Pilot and the 7 pilots based at the Sacred Heart Health Systems operation, the Sacred Heart Health Systems Flight Program Coordinator and Chief Flight Nurse, the Metro Aviation, Inc. Owner, the General Manager, and the Director of Operations, and the accident pilot's wife. The purpose of the interviews was to gather information for evaluating whether the Sacred Heart Health Systems, Flight Program Coordinator's questioning of pilot's decisions might have influenced the accident pilot's decisions on the day of the accident. Most of the pilots interviewed stated that the flight program coordinator had a history of inappropriately involving himself in the weather-related decision making of pilots, and encouraging them to accept and complete more flights. However, the coordinator was not working and on the night of the accident and there is no evidence that he communicated with the accident pilot. Moreover, the lead pilot and most of the other pilots interviewed believed that the accident pilot was experienced, mature, confident in his decisions, and unlikely to have been swayed by the flight program coordinator's actions.


Note: All underlining and bold print is mine and not the NTSB's.

The intense or extreme radar echo would have been pretty much on the track the aircraft would have had to make to get to DeFuniak Springs from Santa Rosa Beach. Could the weather check have missed the large thunderstorm on the proposed route? Could the crew not see the lightning ahead of them? Why would the pilot turn to the East when flying on the East side of the only highway that runs north-south over the bay?

Any wonder why the US EMS fatal accident rate is as high as it is?

75% of the fatalities occur at night....usually from VFR flight into IMC conditions.

Anyone care to begin an "accident chain" on this one....or perhaps do a safety case review and comment on factors that "pressured" a pilot to make the decision he did?

Three people died in this one....we ought to mitigate that loss by learning from it.

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Another strident call for helicopter specific instrument procedures....
Here is a Power Point discussion that is now only 6 years old that discusses a cure for the problem:
View:
http://webpages.charter.net/nlappos/DGPS.pdf

Download (166K)
http://webpages.charter.net/nlappos/DGPS.ppt

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Interesting presentation Nick, It would be great if this becomes a reality.

Right now though, people continue to die needlessly. How do we stop this?
The big killer is flight into IMC at night, when operating VFR.
I know I have harped on about this, but I will continue to do so. NVG's are available now, and for a relatively small cost, and some training, could be making a huge difference. It would enable VFR flights to REMAIN VFR. There is NO justifiable argument for not having them.

"flight program coordinator had a history of inappropriately involving himself in the weather-related decision making of pilots" This is where management need to have a hard look at themselves. The pilot has to have the backing of his employer when it comes to decisions regarding the flight.
The pilot also has to be totally removed from outside influences, ie, pressure from company, being told the condition of the patient, etc. Decisions to fly must be based on whether the pilot thinks the flight can be carried out safely or not.

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BigMike,

The NTSB report stated after interviews with the unit pilots, each felt the pilot killed was beyond being pressured by the improper involvement of the Flight Program Coordinator previously.

In your opinion, would that Coordinator have to be physically present for there to be "pressure" felt by a pilot regard turning down flights?

Do you advocate reducing night VFR weather minima if an operation adopts NVG's?

What night weather minima do you use at your operation for Night VFR unaided flights....and Night VFR aided flights?

What procedures do you use for Goggle Failure during aided night flights in marginal weather? What do you classify "marginal" weather to be at night?



Nick,

I endorse your concept to the extent it would be much better than what we have now. However, I see insurmountable problems for such a concept.

Sheer costs alone would defeat the concept. How does an EMS operator zipping around the countryside at night in marginal weather using A-stars and Jetrangers find the financial resources and pilots to convert to such a program you advocate?

How do you formulate a "point in space" approach then proceed VFR and remain VMC to a scene location in weather that requires the use of your system.....and do all this with just a few minutes response time from call to launch?

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Nick,

I like the presentation; I'm sure one day it'll become a reality.

However, I agree with BigMike. The pertinent point in question is being missed in this thread.

Surely the problem was the fact that it was a single pilot VFR flight, who was in marginal weather. (My point is in darkenss, with scattered clouds at his altitude, thunder, lightning and rain, it may as well have been an IMC flight.) The workload must be immense. Couple that with ADM concerns (diversion), the pilot work-load overloading must become a factor. Did this aircraft have 4-axis autopilot?

Either the minimums must be raised, or there must be more stringent requirements for fully IMC capable flight (both equipment and crew requirements).

cl12pv2s

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News Article posted 7/17/05...

Since 2000, 60 people have died in 84 crashes — more than double the number of crashes during the previous five years. During that period, more than 10% of the U.S. air ambulance helicopter fleet crashed. If commercial airlines lost the same proportion of large passenger jets as air ambulance companies lost helicopters, 90 airliners would crash each year.
Despite the surge in the number of crashes, however, air ambulance companies and the federal agency that oversees them failed time and again to take steps that might have averted tragedy and saved lives, a USA TODAY investigation shows.

The newspaper reviewed hundreds of pages of documents and interviewed dozens of pilots, aviation experts, federal officials, and executives with the companies that operate the flights. Because government statistics on air ambulance crashes are sparse, USA TODAY also created its own database of 275 accidents since 1978.

The full article with links to other feature stories regarding their research:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-crashes_x.htm

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NVG isn't the answer to this type of accident!

NVG allow a pilot to operate in lower light conditions, but they should definitely NOT be used as a means of pressing on further in bad wx.

The weather limits should NEVER be lowered to accommodate NVG Ops.

More relevant, for this type of operation, IS there a suitable bad weather plan (IFR/IMC) - are the crew competent and current to carry it out and is the aircraft suitably equipped and carrying sufficient fuel?

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I disagree with SASless about cost as the issue with real IFR capability, since the industry now has the cost of the accidents added to its bill, at 100X the cost to do it right.

The autopilots in most helos, if 4 que, can do the auto approach, and these are not oppressively expensive.

To BigMIke's point, the problem is flying VRF when it is really IMC, and the answer is to stop flying unless properly equipped. But stopping operations is not realistic, unless we all agree to get out of the market. For every accident, there are 100 guys who get away with it, so we continue. The problem is EXACTLY like the problem intersection in town where car wrecks happen regularly, until a traffic light is put in. The human factors of why pilots push is complex, and you will get NOWHERE when you simply try to more tightly regulate the human judgement. The answer is to add technical capability to perform safe operations in instruments to do the missions required, and to supplant visionics (like NVG's) for night ops.

The wrong answer is to stand on the ramp with more safety posters and hold them up higher.

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From the info given above seems we are still not really sure what happened here, though IMC LOC is the understandable presumption. From the various weather reports, I wouldn't have thought even BKN 600ft and 3 miles vis over the water with reasonable (I assume) ground lighting nearby should have been too marginal for even a good VFR pilot. Of course we don't know what very local conditions were, but if the witness saw the helo go behind/into a cloud it must have been clearish around that, not complete murk.

Can't see that NVGs are a big issue in this case and that they would have made the difference.

What we don't know was whether the pilot was IR - we presume not. Was the heli IFR equipped - again, I assume not. 4 axis autopilot on a 105? Surely no way. Even so with presumably sea below why would he have not stayed low enough and around enough lighting to maintain visual contact? Maybe someone who know more about the exact area can comment. Maybe extreme turbulence from CB activity contributed to LOC?

Yes, an IR pilot with an IFR equipped helo would have made resuming ground contact reasonably straightforward but I still wonder if good practice even with a VFR pilot and helo could have avoided this accident.

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I have driven across that causeway at night. The bay is just over three miles wide at that point with some lights on either shore. At that time of night....it would have been very dark on the water. I cannot recall if there are lights along the causeway but I would assume so, at least at the bridge(s) under which the water traffic can pass.

My reading of the accident report seemed to say he was east of the road heading south back to the base, and made a left turn to the east which would have taken him away from any lights.

Nick is quite correct....more safety posters, no matter how many you display or how high you hold them...will not change things.

Training, equipment, procedures, risk management techniques, CRM, and instrument currency and proficiency can all be undone by bad judgement.

Are we designing our systems upon "getting the job done" or are we designing our systems to "doing the job safely" seems to be the issue.

Why is it....the hardest word to say in aviation speak is "NO"?

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As a parallel universe here in the UK, I'd say the glaring differences I've picked up between you and us (our accident rate in the EMS world is negligible), is:

1. EMS in this country doesnt get revenue for patients It's a charitable organisation and I believe because of this a magic ingredient is missing in UK Ops: PRESS ON ITIS. If U.S. ops managers run the unit on a profit basis, there will certainly be gross danger of this press on itis appearing in the equation.

2. CRM. This subject (even CRM for single pilot ops) is becoming a religion over here. ALL trng captains have to be CRM instructors soon. CRM is compulsory for all pilots.

3. Training. Most (not all) EMS pilots are ex mil which brings with it a wealth of guaranteed quality flying ability.

4. Most EMS operations are VFR only, day only. Those who do fly at night [must be twin pilot full IFR and IR pilots] utilise some or all of the onboard IFR suite.

I think you in the USA have reached the "tipping point" in EMS accidents listening to what your industry is doing about it lately...Hopefully this 'trend' is a thing of the past.

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SASless

Thanks for the insight into the area.

Seems strange - and hazardous - to turn away (East) from all ground lighting, doesn't it?

If you had launched up to do that flight, in that aircraft, given the info we have, what do you think the chances would have been of you having a fatal accident that night? Do you think he was doomed on launch? I would say no, and suspect that a bad judgement call during the flight caused the accident. And none of us are immune from that. Nor should we be too quick to shift blame.

Having said that, I must reiterate, I do not know many facts here and this is just speculative - healthily though, because it focuses on our responsibilities and vulnerability as pilots.

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Do we dare to dream of a day when we can launch, single-pilot on a bad-weather night in our twin-engine, IFR-equipped helicopter with a four-axis autopilot and fly to a scene in the clouds, then make a coupled approach to a stabilized hover 100' above the highest surrounding obstacle?

I do!

And why not? That program Nick was involved in proved that it *is* possible. And it *was* possible back when the study was done which, if memory serves, was some years ago. It is we pilots (especially those of us who've risen into management positions) who aren't pushing hard enough. We keep accepting this paradigm of day/night VFR EMS operations. And helicopters keep crashing into the ground in preventable and predictable accidents.

The future is here, folks. We have the technology, and it needn't be prohibitively expensive. The Chelton Synthetic Vision system is awesome and will only get better. Nick's proposal might seem unrealistic right now, but let's think outside the box. Let's ask ourselves why we can't have such a system? Yes, it might put an end to all of the 206's and 350's running around VFR after dark, but maybe that time has come anyway.

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We can only read the information available to us and form our own thoughts about what might have happened.

I can see several issues that jump out at me thus far. This accident like so many others we read about seem to have some very common threads that tie them together.

Dark night, bad weather, dark area, VFR only machine, no STAB(SAS) machine, limited recent IFR flight and training beyond some very quick practice on an annual checkride, and crash scene in very close proximity to a base, destination, or place of takeoff, and with no patient aboard.

The base had a source for obtaining graphic radar reports to determine precipitation locations along the planned route, and good access to trend data and airmets and sigmets. The investigation showed some sort of weather check had been done thus we can assume the "pilot" knew of the extent of the bad weather in the area. How did the pilot miss....or fail to determine (or decide) the intense/extreme weather return that was ten miles north of the accident location was a factor (or not a factor)for his flight? Did that information appear on his source of weather.

Did the dispatch center have access to aviation weather? Are they trained to read Metars and TAFS as a backstop to a pilot making an unwise decision?

Did the base television have the weather channel available for the crews to monitor weather trends and radar data and serve as an additional source of information? Did the base have internet service for hitting commerical web sites for up to date radar data?


We also know that base and operator allowed interference in weather decisions by others than the pilot concerned. That fact alone throws up a huge RED FLAG! That one part of the accident report tells me there was a poor Safety Environment at that location. That is compounded by the Comm center not confirming the aircraft had landed either by radio or by telephone. That shows a failure of the flight following system that had been normal practice over a period of time.

The FAR's are quite plain....they call for "postive" control of all flights under part 135. The CP is required to know of the status of all flights all the time (or establish a system to ensure that happens). The non-patient leg might be legally a FAR part 91 flight but it was dispatched to retrieve a patient which was part 135. The practice of reverting to Part 91 weather standards when without patient is a troublesome practice as well. They are not anywhere as strict as Part 135 is.

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SASless

Disappointed you've not answered my questions!

From your last post, suppose there was no weather info at all - though seems in fact they had quite a lot. Surely for a 10 mile distance presumably flattish terrain task you fly as you find, don't you - as indeed you always, ultimately should? If you launch up and encounter cloud at 300ft you almost certainly RTB and land. Presumably too EMS helo landing lights are good enough to pick out alternative en route landing sites in an emergency - weather or otherwise?

I really don't see that the ultimate quality of the weather reporting was fundamentally causal here.

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While the US EMS system is a money making venture, I believe that the accidents will unfortunately continue.

These are the reasons for the accidents:

• Night or marginal weather
• Non-IR pilots
• Lack of SUITABLE stability system (call it autopilot if you want)
• Prees-on-itis
• And finally........... $$$$$$$$$$$$

The twin-engine debate (I believe) has no relevance here.:hmm:

We all hear that the companies have minimums so why does this continue to happen.:confused:

Make it mandatory IFR for night ops.

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TC, UK and European EMS operators indeed have an enviable safety record compared to the US, but that's at least partly a function of volume. If you don't fly as much, and as much at night, as we do here then you won't have as many accidents. If you did, you would.

The charitable nature of an EMS operation may help to reduce pressure to fly but doesn't completely eliminate it. Once you load up a badly injured patient there may be pressure to fly regardless, and indeed many accidents happen with a patient on board on the way to the hospital. By the very nature of the job, pilots are going to feel the need to fly. As you pointed out, CRM training is a great tool and can be used to train pilots to manage the inevitable pressures of the job.

At the risk of enraging every ex-military US pilot on this board I would also like to point out that -in the US at least- military experience is not always a benefit. US military pilots almost always share flying duties as part of a two-pilot crew. Many have never flown solo ('solo' during military training is often flown with a 'stick buddy') and are not used to managing a flight single handedly. I don't mean to imply that they don't make fine EMS pilots, only that a military background is not neccessarily a seamless fit with a subsequent career in EMS.

I think it's easy to pinpoint what must be done: to reduce the US accident rate, EMS operators must increase the ability of pilots and aircraft to fly at night and in marginal conditions, through increased training and upgraded equipment. The difficult part is to restructure the healthcare system in such a way that it becomes financially attractive for operators to do so.

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How about starting with the correct machines for the job.......SPIFR, then the correct drivers for the machine.......IFR, and maybe then and only then NVG's.

Shooting off through the night as a VFR driver with googles doesn't sound to fantistic an idea.....

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"Shooting off through the night as a VFR driver with googles doesn't sound to fantistic an idea...."

It certainly ISN'T a good idea! It's extremely dangerous because when the goggles finally clamp down when they have reached their limits due to to cloud the pilot has possibly no other escape - he's left behind his option for naked eye / visual contact flight. This is a long known risk, which is why the weather limits musn't be lowered for NVG ops at night and the pilot / aircraft combination MUST be able to safely fly IFR if required.

Those of us teaching this banged on long and hard about this to our RAF hierarchy; finally they saw sense and night wx limits were aligned, even though all of our pilots were instrument qualified. It worries me greatly that other organisations might like to think they know better, or are reluctant to learn from the mistakes of others, even though their pilots are possibly less experienced........ :(

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Rotorspeed,

If your questions (plural) you want answered are....

My response is this.....

I would not have launched based upon the weather information given....compounded with the radar image of the thunderstorm giving off intense/extreme returns ten miles north of the accident. When the lightning is cracking and the thunder is booming....as it was...combined with the weather that must have shown on the radar.....it would be red tag time...get out the popcorn and put on a good movie until the weather improved drastically.

I was not there...thus what I think I would have done is irrelevant. The sad fact is the crew launched and did not survive the flight. Plainly, they got into a situation they could not handle.

Was the crew doomed no matter what.....absolutely not. At some point they ran out of options and as always...a crash occurred. At what point that happened....and exactly why that happened we will never know. However we can play a game of what if....and see how many ways there are to break the accident chain that led to these three fine folks dying.

The point of posting this report and encouraging a professional discussion of the circumstances surrounding it is not to demean the dead but rather to try to provoke what hopefully will be some constructive dialogue about how to prevent another one of these.

If I ever snuff it in a crash, I sure hope my friends and co-workers will use it as an opportunity to learn from it. We all take that risk when we go flying....every time thus it should be a topic we take some professional interest in. I would much rather learn from your mistakes than my own, particularly if they are fatal ones.

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Some interesting comments and I will reply to SASless's questions in the morning as it is quite late here. Have just returned from a company meeting and had our pilot in Slovakia (we just started a contract there from the 1st Jan) call to tell us he refused a flight this evening due to weather, the operator in the next area accepeted it, and has not been heard from since. An ELT signal has been picked up in the area and they are conducting a ground search now. Weather at the time was 1000ft cloud base, less than 2 kms vis, with the flight taking place in an area of high terrain. I believe the helicopter is a 109 from Bankska Bystrica. Will know more in the morning.

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This is sounding a lot like other threads on this subject.
Night VFR in a single engine machine, no SAS or auto pilot and single pilot is safe if you fly night VRF when there are night VFR conditions, it is definately not safe trying to fly night VFR when VFR conditions don't exist.
With a visible horizon and some moon about and recent experience very safe. I know the regulations don't require the horizon or moon, I do.
If you are working EMS you can say NO. If you are doing it privately or airwork, you can say no.
I have done EMS and I did say no on a number of occasions. No it didn't take balls, I was only looking out for myself. I have also been on a job and landed on route home because night VFR conditions were no longer available.
I have also been on a private job and when the boss was late, we stayed overnight because the weather didn't suit night flying. My theory is, if in doubt stay in bed.
I must admit that when doing EMS the Chief Pilot and Management never second guessed or questioned a weather related descision. And now I work for a private operator it is the same, they assume I'm looking out for their safety.
As a lot of experienced people on this forum have stated, the only way to enhance the safety of night VFR is goggles used properly, but with suitable night VFR conditions.
So it nearly always comes down to the fact the the Pilot has made a bad call. On this particular accident, lightening, rain, low cloud, being a coward, I would not have even got out of bed. Please don't take that last cooment as me talking ill of the dead, just my thoughts on the subject.

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"I would much rather learn from your mistakes than my own, particularly if they are fatal ones."

Hear, hear, SASless.

I agree 100%. We owe it to our employers, our passengers, our families and friends to do just that. The most critical thing about this business is knowing when to say no.

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While surfing the net tonight....ran across an article put out by AAMS after their Safety Syposium in April of 2000. They spent six hours discussing the safety situation of the US Helicopter EMS industry. I found the summary interesting and wonder how much progress that organization has made on what they proposed as initiatives resulting from that meeting.

One section of their effort was to identify factors that lead to accidents and set a priority on addressing them.

The participants consolidated the factors into the following:

Causal Factors

Organizational Culture/Attitude

Training/Implementation (Pilots, crews, management, mechanics)

External Factors/Pressures/money

Standardization (Ops, FAA, Regional, Industry)

Commitment (money, equipment, time)

Risk Management

Statistics/Survey Industry & line pilots

Decision Making

IFR Competency/Proficiency/Currency

Human Factors

Pilot Error

Zero Accident philosophy

Weather (FAA minimums, Industry minimums, Training, Reporting)

Pilot qualifications

Communications

Flight Ops (VFR/IFR, Day/Night, LZs)

Technology/Equipment

Regulations (& following them)

Monitoring Cockpit actions

Utilizing Lessons Learned



The participants were asked to vote for the 5 areas that were the most important factors affecting industry safety, in order to come up with a group prioritization of these factors.

The results were:

First Priority: Organizational Culture/Attitude

Second Priority: Training/Implementation (Pilots, crews, management, mechanics)-- 40 votes

Third Priority: Standardization (Ops, FAA, Regional, Industry)-- 24 votes

Fourth & Fifth Priorities: (tie, both with 22 votes) Pilot Error and Technology/Equipment

Other factors received these votes:

Decision Making – 21 votes

External Factors/Pressures/money – 20 votes

IFR Competency/Proficiency/Currency – 20 votes

Zero Accident philosophy – 19 votes

Weather (FAA minimums, Industry minimums, Training, Reporting) – 17 votes

Commitment (money, equipment, time) – 11 votes

Human Factors – 11 votes

Statistics/Survey Industry& line pilots – 10 votes

Regulations (& following them) – 10 votes

Utilizing Lessons Learned – 9 votes

Communications – 6 votes

Pilot qualifications – 4 votes

Flight Ops (VFR/IFR, Day/Night, LZs) – 4 votes

Risk Management – 3 votes

Monitoring Cockpit actions – 3 votes

Highlights are mine not the report's.



Do the priorities arrived at by the operators, managers, FAA, and other non-line pilot persons seem similar to those line pilots might consider important? The Upper echelon of the industry do not seem to rank Risk Management and using Lessons Learned very highly. I wonder why that is?

Am I wrong in thinking a good Risk Management effort combined with learning from past incidents/accidents would go a very long way towards preventing accidents all by themselves?

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Further to the missing EMS 109 in Slovakia last night, wreck of helicopter found on the side of a mountain with all dead, 3 people, Pilot - Doctor - Paramedic.

We refused it, they throught they could do it.





To answer SASless's questions:

"In your opinion, would that Coordinator have to be physically present for there to be "pressure" felt by a pilot regard turning down flights?"
- Depends on the pilot. Some people are more likely to press on because they are afraid of management than others. Point is, there should have been NO pressure in the first place.

"Do you advocate reducing night VFR weather minima if an operation adopts NVG's?"
- NO WAY. Remember you are still flying VFR...the minimums DO NOT change, things are just a whole lot safer.

"What night weather minima do you use at your operation for Night VFR unaided flights....and Night VFR aided flights?"
- Currently we only fly Night VFR unaided (May be starting a NVG assisted program this year) Weather minimums for this company are: Cloudy conditions-8 kms vis with minimum cloud base of 800ft, No clouds-5 kms vis. Anything less and NO flight.

"What procedures do you use for Goggle Failure during aided night flights in marginal weather? What do you classify "marginal" weather to be at night?"
- We are a 2 pilot operation at night and when we introduce goggles the weather minimums will stay the same. We will NOT be flying nights in marginal weather just because we are on NVG's. With the current generation goggles, the chance of both tubes failing has to be considered pretty remote, but if so you revert back to normal VFR unaided. You were flying VFR weren't you...?

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SASless

You say:

"I was not there...thus what I think I would have done is irrelevant. The sad fact is the crew launched and did not survive the flight. Plainly, they got into a situation they could not handle."

I disagree with your first sentence! Sure you were not there, but you have quite rightly commented on other elements of what you would and would not done - eg, launch in the first place. With your experience I think you could have a very valid opinion.

Your last sentence is key: they got into a situation they could not handle. But that's a very generalised comment.

I think it is generally agreed:

That weather was not suitable for a safe VFR operation
That if the job was going to be attempted it should have been with an IFR machine and IR pilot

However, it is indeed important that we learn from these incidents and that means trying to really focus on what specifically caused the accident. It is easy to generalise with very valid comments, eg not VFR should be IFR twin/IR pilot etc. But implementing such changes is (a) costly and (b) takes time. In the meantime, what will save skins is trying to understand what actually caused this helo to crash.

I am sure that amongst the plethora of US EMS ops, VFR singles are on missions every night somewhere in poor VFR conditions. Virtually all are successful, but a tiny % end in a fatal accident. So what was different here? What specific lesson is there to be learnt?

I suspect it comes back to the old issue that one must never, ever lose sight of ground references when flying VFR. That means clinging to them like they're your liferaft alone in the middle of the Atlantic. Always fly defensively - as ground references reduce, descend, and turn to pick up more. If you feel they are reducing dangerously, go still lower and slower, and ultimately land. Almost anywhere.

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Big Mike

I´m interested in that 109 accident. Were they IFR capable? Certainly a well equipped 109 has no problem flying in IMC.

Is there a english language news site you can link to about the accident.

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Sad Story Big Mike! They were so proud about their ex-swiss A-109K2.

To me a well known situation. I refuse a flight at night in difficult weather and an other operator will probably accept. On the next morning i have to declare my decision to the boss who is allways max interested in flights :( . "How can this be? The others have flown!" And all the base pilots have heard from him in the past "Other pilots fly also!". There is allways a pressure to the pilot. Sneeking and unverifiably. Because there are no papers. There are phone calls in the morning, "How many hours we have flown in the night? None? Please explain your decision." or also very popular - statistics! "We are 10 hours behind the same month last year. We have to fly more!" or "This year is going really bad, all prices have increased. We need more hours!" All the base pilots are highly experienced, more than 5000h, years in the business and in the area. But because we are so "difficult" (means carefully) we need urgently "new blood". New guys, lucky to have a job, without type ratings, without experience in the business (EMS), without experience in the flight area (mountains, heavy winters). AND they do the flights! Understand, we do single pilots ops at night, in a VFR twin without AP, without wxRadar.

That's the situation and i'm pissed about the "Safety Syposiums" (my boss is seating in one of the first rows i bet), about the authorities, only preparing dump papers and i'm pissed about me and my collegues. Because if i refuse the flight, absolutely sure an other pilot will accept.

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Sad story to hear of yet another pilot who by the sound of it should have stayed alive on the ground. The relatives of these three are now having a very poor start to the new year.. :(

A couple of points. In UK VFR for normal operations by night is not allowed.

Police aircraft have a dispensation to fly under Visual Contact Flight (VCF) rules, which essentially lay down the minimum cloud and vis and distance/altitude from obstructions. An important rider to those limits is the requirement for the pilot to have sufficient lighting on the ground to judge the aircraft attitude. In order words, flight over a totally dark area with poor lighting (e.g. a large expanse of water or unpopulated area) is NOT allowed, irrespective of cloud and visibility.

EMS aircraft fly iaw IFR, there is no dispensation.

UK military night flights are not required to fly iaw the IFR rules (not governed by the CAA) but normal flight is done using NVG. The wx limits are NOT reduced because NVG are used.

As long as pilots are pushed to fly "VFR" at night in marginal wx, especially without IFR competency or capability (the latter is madness in my book), accidents will continue. Take "pushed" to mean whatever you think it does, pressure can come in all directions. That's the bottom line.

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ShyTorque

Agree with you, though presumably the Slovakia A109K2 was IFR with IR pilot so ability to fly with visual reference still the crucial element here, assuming it did not crash on intended IFR sector in IMC.

BikeMike - do you know if 109 pilot/helo was IR/IFR? Where was pilot from/trained?

How sad that that yet another EMS accident should occur - this time in Europe - as we're debating lessons of another.

What sort of % hull insurance rates do EMS ops get, for goodness sake?

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Mike

Sorry to hear the news. :(

It has happened to all of us. You declining and someone down the road accepting.

If the job is knocked back once - that should be the end of it. Take the patient by road.

Quichotte: Tell your boss to go get :mad: . It makes my blood boil getting the screws put on for making a decision based on safety.:*

I think I need a cuppa and a lie down!

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It happens, this pressure to go. A few years ago I flew a police aircraft, which was a "floppy stick" unstabilised twin. I didn't have a UK IR, most of us didn't, although I had quite a lot of military instrument flying experience.

One night, we had just returned from one local job, scrubbed due to the weather deteriorating due to low cloud and rain turning into snow.

A short time later, a call came to search for a man and his son, not returned from a day in the hills. They were known to be experienced walkers and well equipped for the terrain and weather. There was no known start point so they wanted us to search a huge area in bad weather. I declined, explaining that the weather was too bad even for a local job; this one was further away in hills 2000 feet high. The Chief Inspector rang back - he wanted to speak to me on the phone. He tried to tell me how to do my job and how he knew the capabilities of the aircraft (yes, he was convinced that we had radar, that well known supposed answer to a pilot's prayers - we didn't), which irritated me just a little. I still declined to go and asked him if he had a weather report for the search area. He said that a traffic car had reported heavy snow and fog. I asked how he thought we were going to search in that weather. He "advised" me that I should launch, fly around the back of the hills and try to gain access to the area from the other side, using radar.

I told him that he was trying to press me into risking the aircraft and three lives to save two lives that may or may not need saving. He didn't like that and told me he would be making an adverse report about me. He said he was going to call out the neighbouring police unit's aircraft instead ,who were actually closer to the job than we were. I said go ahead, we're not launching. He did, they also refused to launch.

The weather eventually cleared at base and we were informed that the men's car had been found in a lay-by so they now had a start point. I agreed to go for a look see and we launched, some time after midnight. We didn't get far because the area in question still had total blizzard conditions so we turned back. We advised the control room that the only real option was to go back at first light if the weather was suitable.

The Chief Inspector then rang the RAF SAR boys. They declined the job too, saying that they couldn't fly in that weather either. By this time he was almost incandescent but at least the pressure was off me as an individual...

The following morning, the two men, having safely camped out overnight in their tent walked back to their car and drove home. They rang the police when the lady of the household told them about the search...

RISK ASSESSMENT :hmm:

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Report this morning from Slovakia says the weather was ok where the crew departed from?

"Three people die in rescue service helicopter crash in Slovakia
BANSKA BYSTRICA- Three crew members perished in a helicopter of the Air Transport Europe (ATE) rescue service that crashed near Janova Lehota, central Slovakia, at about 8:00 p.m. CET on Monday, ATE spokesman Pavol Sveton has told.
The helicopter flew from the airport in Sliac, east Slovakia, for Zilina, central Slovakia, from where it was to transfer a patient to Banska Bystrica, Sveton explained.

A pilot, a doctor and a rescuer were aboard the helicopter. None of them survived the accident.

Two dead bodies were found near the crashed helicopter, while rescuers are searching for the third victim in the surroundings.

The Air Transport Office is investigating the cause of the accident. However, Sveton ruled out that it could have been caused by bad weather.

The ATE bought the Italian made-helicopter Agusta A 109 K2 from Swiss rescuers. It has been already the fourth plane of this kind that the ATE has used.

Author: ČTK"

Link here: http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/index_view.php?id=165478

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Rotorspeed,

Why is my "generalized" comment "they encountered a situation they could not handle" off base?

They encountered weather bad enough for them to cancel the mission "after" takeoff and enroute to the destination. They did not succeed in getting back to the takeoff pad.

The physical examination of the aircraft determined no mechanical cause for the crash. That does not rule out a mechanical malfunction but commonsense would suggest some other cause is the most likely reason for the crash.

What might that be?


BigMike,

Sad news about the Slovakian crew. Your responses go straight to the heart of the NVG issue. I agree the latest versions are absolutely magic....and failures are rare but they do happen. Usually it is something simple like a faulty wire from the battery pack or a bad connection on the helmet mount but these things do occur.

My point there is....should that happen....and you are flying in a region where there is no surface reference visible to the un-aided eye....then you have a very quick onset of having to fly on instruments alone. Combine that with being in a mountain valley or in an area surrounded by hills that are obscured by cloud and you have a most interesting dilemna. That is where CRM techniques and crew coordination become paramount. Lets throw in another thought...it is the flight sector with the patient aboard....and both the crew are needed to care for the patient....think of the decision making that has to take place in a hurry. Does one of the med crew ignore the patient and start looking out front and steering the pilot visually?

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On night VFR flights especially in the winter there is always the danger to find suddenly and unreported bad weather. In the most cases the local pilots are able to make a better weather forecast than the hundreds of miles away coffee-drinking meteorologists. Because they have the weather from the computer who is modelling and counting the forecast and didn't know the local weather problems like forrests with low stratus or sudden fog over water. Weather reporting stations are sometimes more than 50 miles away from the next. In our area is no ATC radar help available in our common flight altitudes.
As i wrote we fly single pilot with VFR Twins without AP. This means there is no way to check the FM/emergency checklist in case of an emergency because i have only two hands ;) or to hold a flight chart. You have to know the area and the FM by heart. The written weather report gives 4-5 reporting stations (reports only any full hour) in an area greater than 10.000 square miles. Flights are often more than 3h with the risk of a complete weather change. The (non flying) boss is only interested in flight hours and volume. His boss, the big big boss, promised years ago an adequate ship full IFR with flight director. But now both bosses ;) seem to be really lucky with the simple old ship and his low operating costs.
This kind of equipment and flight ops are fully certified by the authority. The officers aren't interested in pilots talks. Could make problems! Forget QM!!! The QM is only interested to hold his job.

But this isn't an isolated "boss problem". We, the pilots, are the problem. We are ready to swallow this conditions. We are ready to accept a flight an other pilot refused. We are ready to make the job as pilot, as QM, as Chief Pilot. Awaring that others have refused this jobs. There are so many pilots out there in this world ready to take my job. I'm sure also here on PPRUNE we have a lot of pilots ready to sell her grandma for a Twin rating. (As could be seen on some threads :) ) Only to have a job or to make more money than today. On a nearby base (other operator) the crews get more money in case of flying at night. They try really to make any flight because they seem to need money, money, money...

And i forgot, the last EMS accident at night in bad weather in our area was only two years ago... 2 guys died...

I'm tired from talks like this. This things will never changed in the future, also if the authority will make 1000 new regulations.

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SASless, to answer your point, we would have 2 pilots BOTH on NVG's. We always fly with 2 pilots at night. Under our company rules, you would already be breaking night weather minimums if you had no reference to the ground unaided.

This is really the problem isn't it. Guys pushing on when things start to turn bad. If you are not maintaining minimums, then you need to be turning back, or if that option has disapeared, then thinking about landing. Sure, everyone wants to get the patient to the hospital (little kid who's critical...) but you have to be able to say NO, and boy that is sometimes a very tough call...

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Well said SASless. Pilots are an easy target when they are no longer in a position to respond or defend their actions. The system should take a good long introspective look at itself. The FAA refuses to address the real issue, weather minimums. Presently, the ceiling and visibility requirements for day/night VFR remote area EMS missions are much lower than common sense would call for. In many instances the weather observations utilized for go no-go decisions are not located sufficiently close to be meaningful with respect to the mission. As a result, EMS crews accept missions with little or no information specific to the actual flight. This information becomes available in real time during the flight. 99.9% of the time, flight crews get away with this, completing the mission with only a scary tale to tell. It is the other 0.1% that gets all the press and discussion time on this and other sites. We operate a SPIFR Bell 230UT. This machine gives us true IFR capability for inter-facility flights and a bailout capability should we back ourselves into a dark low visibility corner in the middle of the night. This capability comes at a significant cost above that of the typical single pilot VFR EMS operation. A cost that many would say is difficult to justify. IFR scene flights are at least one technology leap into the future. This task is achievable but at what expense. In the meantime, each crew has the responsibly to make prudent decisions with respect to go/no-go. No-go should always be the decision and than line up the elements that lead to a GO. Management pressure is never one of the elements.

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Thomas Coupling,
Hate to burst your bubble but I (like many others) have flown with excellent pilots from all backgrounds and I have also flown with lemons from ALL backgrounds on both sides of the atlantic.

I have to agree with Quichotte... It is in part up to us as pilots to stop accepting this poor equipment and pressure etc. I have always thought I would love to fly EMS in the states but the rules would be simple.... Interview the program. Get a sense of the culture.....after that its Twin, IFR, NVG and super super cautious until VERY familiar with the local area.
Otherwise its back to the north Sea or the middle east or where ever will have me....

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http://img.bleskovky.sk/big/40695.jp...oda_agusta.jpg

So tragic and sad.

News link, only in Slovak: http://www.tasr.sk/

More from RADIO SLOVAKIA INTERNATIONAL > NEWS : "Helicopter Crash Pilot Had 20 Years of Experience
An Air Transport Europe medical rescue service helicopter that crashed on Monday evening killing all three crew members on-board was en-route to a call in Zilina. The crew, made up of the pilot, a doctor and a rescue worker was to have ferried a patient from a Zilina hospital to Banska Bystrica. "The pilot had 20 years of experience, and was trained to fly at night... the helicopter was equipped with state-of-the art instruments, and the weather on January 2 was not considered too severe for flying," an ATE spokesperson informed. An eye-witness saw flames coming out of the low-flying helicopter, and two subsequent explosions. Police and the Aviation Authority are looking into the causes of the crash."

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This is a further link to Slovak news which has several stories on the accident, including a photo gallery. Anyone who has been pushing there luck recently should have a long hard look at these photos.

http://www.bleskovky.sk/cl/10/97994/...ik_traja_mrtvi