Vpaw Contract
 

I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything interms of the workings of the contract!
And who's in the running for it? :cool:

Vpaw Contract
 

Does any one have any gos on that contract?

Is it also true that their illustrious Chief Pilot Is leaving?
For a position down in the South East of Victoria?:O

:rolleyes: Hmm....

V poor
 

It would appear by looking at the Number of hits on this topic, that there is a number of interested parties, with regard to the 2 topics put to the forum by nite son!

I wonder, which topic is drawing the most attention!;)

Chief Wiggam
 

I believe that VPAW would sorely miss their main man if he decided to change camps! NOT!

I want to be there for that party!!:ok:

What do you think VPAW pilot?

VPAW
 

shlaaper, I'm not too sure if we are talking about the same person but let me tell you I'm fairly intimate with the workings of the police airwing and I can tell you that the "main man" you speak of is a well respected member of the VPAW community. I'm sure that other members of the airwing would agree that it would be a real loss if said person was to "change camps". If he did decide to move on his wealth of aviation technical knowledge and flying skills would be greatly appreciated at his new workplace...
:ok:

Vpoor
 

Bell Ted, dude, whatever you're on half the dose!:}

You might find out that the devil you know has a harder task than you give him credit for. It would be very arrogant of one to assume one could do as well in the same place.


The politics of that position would be something else. The operational and political accumen a guy in his post carries with him would be sorely missed and highly valued by others. Think about what you fly and how it's flown....did it just turn up out the front?

Bit of balance guys.

Brown Nosing!
 

Bell Ted - I need to get the number of your dealer, because what ever your on i need to get some!:}

When i posted this topic on the forum it was to find out what was happening with the Vpaw contract, it wasn't an open season ticket on butt licking!

PO dust devil "spud" - it would appear that you know a fair bit about his position. Perhaps you have considered yourself in it?;)

Don't worry be happy!
 

Now, now guys. The dust devil is right the chiefs position would be a difficult one and would require large shoulders to carry all the idiotic requests and whines from a bunch of over paid and under worked bus drivers!

But then again it would be easy if you did nothing and were the biggest whinger of all! After all its not as if he is accountable to anybody...;)

!
 

Bell Ted - The chief pilot " Pappa Smurf" that you say is well respected has about as much respect from his flock as Sydney lounge discounter (JE) has from the rest of the industry!:yuk:

Overpaid?
 

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Now, now guys. The dust devil is right the chiefs position would be a difficult one and would require large shoulders to carry all the idiotic requests and whines from a bunch of over paid and under worked bus drivers!'




Goodness Shlaaper, (if that's your real name)

I wouldn't call us overpaid......

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vpaw pilot, asked my mum and its not my real name! Phew!

Must say I hope your piloting skills are better than your computing ones! Only copy and paste the text you want!

As for overpaid. You may not have the highest numbers on your group cert but when you consider the amount of actual work you do your hourly rate is phenomenal!

I also noticed you didn't dispute anything else!:ok:

Pilots
 

I have heard that with the new contract, that the pilots are going to be out sourced!

Is this true?
Or is it a good tail? :E

Hmmm
 

Shlaaper:

Hmmmmm.....



Nite Son:

Like sands through the hourglass,
So are the days of our lives.....

P.S. Have you got some kind of spelling unchecker running there Nite?

That sounds like the boys in black knocking down my door...

Unfortunately, I am not in a position to comment on the current contract situation. I am sure that those in the know, know....

But in answer to your other original question, Nite...

I don't think so...

Cheers, and Happy Landings...

P

vpaw pilot!
 

Thanks for picking up on my state of the art spelling unchecker it seems to be working a treat!

The boys in black! are you refering to the fed's or your fellow x-b.hawk drivers that you work with?

Do you think that anyone else from the wing is having thoughts of heading off to tap the TEXIS TEA?:)

Vpoor pilot!
 

Hmmmm!

Is that all you have to say in your defence!

So you dont deny them !

So can i take it then, that you have come to relise that you have a pretty good job?

And that the enviroment that you work in is pretty good minus a couple of individuals!

Considering the fact, that vpaw would have to be one of the best kitted out airwings in the country!

Would you not agree? :hmm:

Lets get back on track
 

This thread started with a question on the VPAW contract so lets get back on track...

The new contract has not yet been announced....waiting for MAS to sign-off until then you will need to wait and see. Like anything in Government decisions are not made quickly and the descision on this one is 7 months late already.

Speculation is that the status quo will exist...don't expect anything grand.

Pilots are safe for the new contract period.

Yes there are difficulties....what organisation, with 14 pilots, 22 observers and admin staff, doesn't have problems when they are all squeezed in one hangar. Personalities are diverse and conflicts do exist and yes some key members are difficult to work with at times.

Are the VPAW pilots overpaid? A typical offshore pilot in Australia flies a medium IFR twin 2 pilots to and from an offshore platform under very controlled environment day in day out and mainly during daylight hours and would on average be renumerated around $120,000. An emergency service pilot at VPAW flies a medium IFR twin 24/7. At times into difficult night outlandings to unprepared areas. In an environment that is not mapped out but mostly unknown and at times unpredictable for a return of $80,000. Overpaid...I think not.

Yeah!

Good one Troll!!!

Info
 

NASUS - Thanks for that!
That makes things a little clearer!

Do we know what the AMBO's are waiting to sing off on?:)

No Idea! All done behind closed doors and in secret. Will have to just wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait......

Yarp's
 

Yarper - Is that all you have to say on the matter! or can you bring somthing of substance to this forum?:=

Po Dust devil
 

I would have agree with you, that his position does carry with it huge responsibilities!

I do also have to agree that he deserves a lot of credit for what he does !

"The politics of that position would be something else", There is no doubt in my mind that this is so true! :8

Strike out!
 

Bell ted - Like we have spoken about before seek help with your troubles!

Po dust Devil - When in contact with papa smurf do you find that your knees get carpet burns! :ok:

Oh yeah
 

You go Nite Son, stick to em!:8

Heat!
 

Re: Pupa Smurf issue>

I hear that a Prominent figure will be attending the wing tomorow is this just coincidence :D

Tucker Bag!
 

Shlaaper:
Are you insinuating, that papa smurf is going to be getting, the good old Aussie Tucker Bag?:E

Been awhile since the VPAW contract tender went out....surely it must have been awarded already...but can't find any info on this.... CHC I gather has won the contract again as they are still there...is this correct?

Also has the senior C & T pilot and line pilot positions been filled yet?

Curious thats all (don't read anything more into it):rolleyes:

I heard that the C&T pilot got filled from within, so another line pilot spot may come up. There is some movement around the rumour mill about the AS350 being sold and an EC135 being bought to replace it. Perhaps someone will add to the mill soon...

Gotta love the Police. They are all the same no matter where they are from.
Anyone in the Police ever consider safety and experience or is it just jobs for the boys as always?

And the problem with sourcing one line pilot job internally is? He met the minimum to be considered. Safety and experience? What makes you think he is any better or worse than anyone else with his experience? The fact he has been in the left seat for quite a few years is immaterial? Strange you know, it is the POLICE airwing after all, and many line pilot jobs have been sourced from outside, and will continue to be so. What is your problem exactly? Did you even apply? Or are we just victims of the "I've got more hours than you so therefore I should get the job" syndrome? Hours aren't everything, training and other experience also count these days. Next time maybe you should apply and see how you go........:hmm:

Don't need to apply mate, already there and I Don't have that much of a problem with it really, if it is done properly. From my experience though this is seldom done and causes problems within the organisations themselves because they don't do it right.
If Mr Selfish is right and it is 500 hours total time, do you really think being given approval for multi-engine single pilot IFR captain is sound? I don't care if your Chuck Yeager or not.
I hope they are smart and apply certain limitations on what he can or can't do until this individual builds the necessary experience so 1. he himself can feel comfortable tackling any situation presented, 2. The other crew feel comfortable with him and there is no talk behind the poor guy's back and 3. he does not do something that at that point may be outside his skill level.
It is unfair to the individual to put him in that situation.
Maybe I wrote the previous post incorrectly or too sarcasticly Mungrel, but don't get me wrong, they should promote within, it makes sense in many ways. But as I said before, if it is done correctly.

He doesn't have approval for mutli eng. single pilot IFR, and won't have and won't be released to do so until he meets the requirements laid down by the Ops Manual, and in the opinion of the C.P and C.+T he can safely do so. Just like anybody else. Things aren't what they might once have been anymore.

Settle chums...

Capt Underpants...I don't recall seeing you at Hangar 104....or maybe I have!

Out of the two slots available, one went to a highly qual SPIFR style bloke, and it was considered that the organisation could afford to put a relatively low time guy in the other slot...It will be a work in progress for sure, but as someone quite correctly said, it keeps the 'P' in 'VPAW'.

This chap will do his type endorsement, followed by mucho ICUS day, followed by the same by night.....in about twelve months, he will progress onto IFR ops, and eventually, a rating....

Yes, I hear you say...he won't be totally mission capable for a couple of years, but that will be a management issue..

Remember, the VPAW used to take guys progressing through the Squirrel and train them on the 365; one of them may even be Capt Underpants...so this is nothing unusual...

Happy Landings.....

Gotta Get experience some how.
 

I'd like to congratulate VPAW for putting on a low hour pilot. It's the development thing that some of us have been going on about for a long time. It's good to see that at least one state government department is prepared to put in the effort.

Yes, there is a risk in putting on a low hour pilot, but as has been said, it is a management thing and scrutinised by the CP and C&T pilot. That's what they get paid for. This is risk management.

Perhaps Ex MIL blokes believe that only Ex MIL pilots should be allowed to apply for these sort of positions? Funny that a 500 TT pilot is not safe for the Police Force, but a naval pilot with the same hours flying ICUS in a twin can do deck landings at night??? :ugh:

Whoever is the guy with the shiny new wings, good luck and enjoy the opportunity.
:D

Sorry M8

Just mushrooms at our level...anything is possible!:confused:

Cheers...

Its about time that the Police got rid of the ambos and started to concentrate on their core functions of policing instead of putting all of its resources into satisfying their ambulance masters. If the ambos told the cops to go jump thats exactly what they'd do!

Come now, Mr Selfish...

I'm sure your Mum taught you better manners than that......

:=

VPAW management don't really have a clue what their doing.... They can't decide on anything if they fell over it....the supposed new contract, I'm told, was suppossed to have been sewn up and decided on almost 2 years ago and they are still procrastinating over it.

I agree with you Mr Selfish. Particularly when they all had to pay their own way. May have been different if they covered the cost of the ornamental interview.