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Ex UK MILITARY HELICOPTER PILOT WANTS HELP OBTAINING COMMERCIAL LICENCE
Ex UK Military helicopter pilot (ARMY) with over 600 hours rotary experience flying Turbine helicopters, single- engined gazelle and twin engined Lynx heicopters. Also have 40 + hours fixed wing experience. Looking to make a career as a commercial helicopter pilot and train as an instructor. Any where in the USA, but preferably in the Idaho area as I have family in that location. I am looking for a company to sponsor training to commercial pilot or a school which can provide training with financial aid. ( I will be a permanent US resident by the time training takes place ).
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I hope this is not indicative of what is coming out of the military at the moment, because this just smacks of complete ignorance and disregard for what the rest of us have gone through.
How can someone who has had it already handed to them at HM expense have the gall to put an ad out like this.
Bah!
Ex UK MILITARY HELICOPTER PILOT WANTS HELP OBTAINING COMMERCIAL LICENCE
Ex UK Military helicopter pilot (ARMY) with over 600 hours rotary experience flying Turbine helicopters, single- engined gazelle and twin engined Lynx heicopters. Also have 40 + hours fixed wing experience. Looking to make a career as a commercial helicopter pilot and train as an instructor. Any where in the USA, but preferably in the Idaho area as I have family in that location. I am looking for a company to sponsor training to commercial pilot or a school which can provide training with financial aid. ( I will be a permanent US resident by the time training takes place ).
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I hope this is not indicative of what is coming out of the military at the moment, because this just smacks of complete ignorance and disregard for what the rest of us have gone through. How can someone who has had it already handed to them at HM expense have the gall to put an ad out like this.
Bah!
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Whats the problem Steve.....? We cannot all be Farmer's sons!
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I agree ,this guy is an idiot , firstly the dear old Queen paid him to gain his 600hrs, and picked up the tab now he wants some obliging US outfit not only to cover his costs for his FAA ticket but to give him financial aid as well while he trains. Then once he is all up and running he wants to be an Instructor! with his attitude I pity any student that sits beside him.
What is he thinking? with 600hrs!!! why would anyone throw money at this guy? what does he have to offer except an overrated opinion of himself
No wonder he comes from the UK, maybe instead of moving to the states he should immigrate to France he would fit right in there.
I agree ,this guy is an idiot , firstly the dear old Queen paid him to gain his 600hrs, and picked up the tab now he wants some obliging US outfit not only to cover his costs for his FAA ticket but to give him financial aid as well while he trains. Then once he is all up and running he wants to be an Instructor! with his attitude I pity any student that sits beside him.
What is he thinking? with 600hrs!!! why would anyone throw money at this guy? what does he have to offer except an overrated opinion of himself
No wonder he comes from the UK, maybe instead of moving to the states he should immigrate to France he would fit right in there.
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If the UK Military allowed pilots who have reached the equivalent civil goals to have a civil licence (as some countries do), then he wouldn't have to do it.
Why not ask? If you don't ask you don't get. You at least know where you stand then.
When I left the UK Military I had an ATPL/H (paid for by me)gained using exam exemptions gained from the aircraft type I flew for technical and also Nav subjects. The CAA at the time agreed that military training in most subjects was of equal standard to that for CAA licences. I did have to do the Loading and Air Law exams, both of which were not covered to the extent that civil pilots were expected to know for the former, and that UK military Air Law was slightly different to that of UK Civil.
That has now changed because the UK military didn't like all those qualified pilots it trained disappearing to civil jobs, so they tried to keep them by removing the exemptions. It didn't work because those that wanted to leave paid for their exams and tests.
However, many, like me, didn't have an IR. Most companies paid for and sponsored us for IR courses. OK, so we were bonded, it was still sponsored and we were paid for it. What's the difference?
This almost sounds like an anti-military stance again that was on another topic a few weeks back.
Why not ask? If you don't ask you don't get. You at least know where you stand then.
When I left the UK Military I had an ATPL/H (paid for by me)gained using exam exemptions gained from the aircraft type I flew for technical and also Nav subjects. The CAA at the time agreed that military training in most subjects was of equal standard to that for CAA licences. I did have to do the Loading and Air Law exams, both of which were not covered to the extent that civil pilots were expected to know for the former, and that UK military Air Law was slightly different to that of UK Civil.
That has now changed because the UK military didn't like all those qualified pilots it trained disappearing to civil jobs, so they tried to keep them by removing the exemptions. It didn't work because those that wanted to leave paid for their exams and tests.
However, many, like me, didn't have an IR. Most companies paid for and sponsored us for IR courses. OK, so we were bonded, it was still sponsored and we were paid for it. What's the difference?
This almost sounds like an anti-military stance again that was on another topic a few weeks back.
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Hey guys, he's only asking.
It's not how I would go about it but it's still a free world last time I looked. Some of you guys need to get a hobby or something, I just can't see what there is to get all worked up about.
S76
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"complete disregard for what we whent through"
You probably aren't a whiner but you sure sound like one with comments like this.
It's not how I would go about it but it's still a free world last time I looked. Some of you guys need to get a hobby or something, I just can't see what there is to get all worked up about.
S76
your comment:
"complete disregard for what we whent through"
You probably aren't a whiner but you sure sound like one with comments like this.
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Steve76,
I am not quite sure what you meant by this remark. Are you saying military pilots should pay for their training. I am not ex-military and had to pay what I think is an enormous amount of money for my license, but I certainly do not begrugde the military pilots I know their free licenses and hours. I wish I had the sense, or was in the position to learn to fly in the military when I was younger.
And personaly I am glad to see HM gives something back. She certainly took enough!
And Granny, I am presuming by "financial aid" he means a loan. Thats usually what "financial aid" means in the states.
How can someone who has had it already handed to them at HM expense
And personaly I am glad to see HM gives something back. She certainly took enough!
And Granny, I am presuming by "financial aid" he means a loan. Thats usually what "financial aid" means in the states.
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I don't think there is anything wrong in asking. I really don't know if he will get any response, but he probably will.
I would much rather get a 600 hour ex-UK military guy who has all that nice training, has some turbine time, and "realworld" experience, than some guy w/3 times more time say in an R22 giving flight instruction or something like that.
Don't want to hurt anyones feelings, just my opinon.
I would much rather get a 600 hour ex-UK military guy who has all that nice training, has some turbine time, and "realworld" experience, than some guy w/3 times more time say in an R22 giving flight instruction or something like that.
Don't want to hurt anyones feelings, just my opinon.
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Looking for Help retiring
Soon-to-be Former Pilot Looking for Help retiring
I have over 600 hours laying an beaches already, looking for help gathering more.
It is hard trying to figure out what to do when retirement comes. Knowing that I am clueless as to how to go to the next step, I am looking for help retiring, so please send me money and if possible a deed for some beach property, as I was unable to save anything in my career to plan for the next step. I will gladly spend your money, no questions asked. First come, first served.
thank you!
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I have over 600 hours laying an beaches already, looking for help gathering more.
It is hard trying to figure out what to do when retirement comes. Knowing that I am clueless as to how to go to the next step, I am looking for help retiring, so please send me money and if possible a deed for some beach property, as I was unable to save anything in my career to plan for the next step. I will gladly spend your money, no questions asked. First come, first served.
thank you!
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I think the question people should be asking is why a very low time ex- Army helicopter pilot is out of the service in the first place. I know that when I wanted to leave back in '88 the Army Air Corps refused to let me go until I had fullfilled my committment.
Instructing over here in North America is nothing like it is in the UK. Low time pilots (fixed and rotary) use instructing as a way to build hours prior to getting jobs in the commercial world.
We, in the UK, are instructors by vocation rather than necessity.
Instructing over here in North America is nothing like it is in the UK. Low time pilots (fixed and rotary) use instructing as a way to build hours prior to getting jobs in the commercial world.
We, in the UK, are instructors by vocation rather than necessity.
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Why would you want a guy "with all that nice training and stuff turbine time etc and real world experience over someone with 3 times more experience instructing"
Think about it pal - Here is a guy sitting on his arse waiting for the phone to ring. At least some guy who has to stand own his own 2 feet will get off his butt and look for work for your helicopter when things are quiet. This ex army pratt will need to be spoon fed and led around by the hand. He says he has family in Idaho, hope its not a wife and Kids because this idiot hasnt got the balls or initive or stand on his own feet and support them, he is a bludger with his hand out.
Why would you want a guy "with all that nice training and stuff turbine time etc and real world experience over someone with 3 times more experience instructing"
Think about it pal - Here is a guy sitting on his arse waiting for the phone to ring. At least some guy who has to stand own his own 2 feet will get off his butt and look for work for your helicopter when things are quiet. This ex army pratt will need to be spoon fed and led around by the hand. He says he has family in Idaho, hope its not a wife and Kids because this idiot hasnt got the balls or initive or stand on his own feet and support them, he is a bludger with his hand out.
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Granny,
Take a deep breath, your going to get angina.
Were you passed over for army/navy flight training at some point? Get a life and don't worry about this guy so much. I'd hate to be your wife after you've read the daily newspapers if this gets you so wound up.
p.s. have you had your blood pressure checked lately?
Take a deep breath, your going to get angina.
Were you passed over for army/navy flight training at some point? Get a life and don't worry about this guy so much. I'd hate to be your wife after you've read the daily newspapers if this gets you so wound up.
p.s. have you had your blood pressure checked lately?
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I cant understand why that would push any button. Sounds like Steve76 had to do it some other way and didnt get into a nice piece of OD Turbine.
Nothing is fair, live with it.....
Nothing is fair, live with it.....
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Nick,
Im not between the two tropics, just a little south. But I can organise a beautiful beach for you to relax on.
One catch, you gotta let me bug you for two hrs a day with questions.
Im not between the two tropics, just a little south. But I can organise a beautiful beach for you to relax on.
One catch, you gotta let me bug you for two hrs a day with questions.
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I try not to sound like a whiner but I remember the "pre-good" times and I sympathise with all the new guys living it now.
If you did your time in the barracks surviving PT to graduate officer school and head off to watch blackhanders daily your aircraft before you did your dual in it at RFTS; then I'm sorry but you will never relate to these seemingly critical comments. No offence intended.
Its sort of like "military pilots are from venus and civvie pilots are from mars...."
Every persons "buttons" are pushed in some funny way.
For me and almost all my past and present collegues aviation has been a slog from before day one. We are a diverse mob of ex-musters, ex-tuna boat drivers, ex-tourism and charter, ex-ag and even ex-vietnam. Admittedly mostly antipodean but the same stories are circling Canada and I guess the UK.
All driven from the beginning by the lust to fly and the resultant wrinkles earned from bludging out hours while working full time, to bludging the loan out of the bank, to paying off the bloody thing and then the countless months and eventually years of phonecalls, voluntary work experience, sleeping in mates flats/cars/trucks/side of the road/helo/ under helo/ under trees and flogging oneself literally physically and mentally to force a space in this market for oneself and family that are in tow.
Imagine you bash out your 500hrs moving cows, fat arses in circles, chasing tuna, spotting traffic, flying old pieces of **** into remote areas to finally earn your IR and the cushy home job to hear later "sorry chat we've collared this UK lad with 600hrs....toddle pip and keep those resumes coming..."
That would push your button ...... NO?
To hear that there are individuals out there with this level of nievity and arrogance about the industry and what it would appear to owe them, is offensive to the hundreds of new pilots spending $50K to achieve what this guy wants for nothing.
They are doing what I just described above to make it into that instructor possie this guy is aiming for. How do you think it makes them feel when they read a fully funded pilot with a fresh ROS wants some more free training?
And I think "Financial Assistance" means "more or less free".
I guess nobody can blame him for trying thou....
If you did your time in the barracks surviving PT to graduate officer school and head off to watch blackhanders daily your aircraft before you did your dual in it at RFTS; then I'm sorry but you will never relate to these seemingly critical comments. No offence intended.
Its sort of like "military pilots are from venus and civvie pilots are from mars...."
Every persons "buttons" are pushed in some funny way.
For me and almost all my past and present collegues aviation has been a slog from before day one. We are a diverse mob of ex-musters, ex-tuna boat drivers, ex-tourism and charter, ex-ag and even ex-vietnam. Admittedly mostly antipodean but the same stories are circling Canada and I guess the UK.
All driven from the beginning by the lust to fly and the resultant wrinkles earned from bludging out hours while working full time, to bludging the loan out of the bank, to paying off the bloody thing and then the countless months and eventually years of phonecalls, voluntary work experience, sleeping in mates flats/cars/trucks/side of the road/helo/ under helo/ under trees and flogging oneself literally physically and mentally to force a space in this market for oneself and family that are in tow.
Imagine you bash out your 500hrs moving cows, fat arses in circles, chasing tuna, spotting traffic, flying old pieces of **** into remote areas to finally earn your IR and the cushy home job to hear later "sorry chat we've collared this UK lad with 600hrs....toddle pip and keep those resumes coming..."
That would push your button ...... NO?
To hear that there are individuals out there with this level of nievity and arrogance about the industry and what it would appear to owe them, is offensive to the hundreds of new pilots spending $50K to achieve what this guy wants for nothing.
They are doing what I just described above to make it into that instructor possie this guy is aiming for. How do you think it makes them feel when they read a fully funded pilot with a fresh ROS wants some more free training?
And I think "Financial Assistance" means "more or less free".
I guess nobody can blame him for trying thou....
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I see what you're getting at Steve, but I don't see how any suffering by an individual earns him a spot at some other company. The owner of the company should decide who gets hired. The owner should not be restricted to hire indebted civilians who have undergone hardship when he may prefer to hire a partially experienced, prematurely ex-military, financial burden.
In the end, looking at individuals doesn't matter much. Some get the jobs, some don't. If a group starts earning itself a bad name, then other members of that group likely won't be too succesful in finding similiar employment.
I'm in the military now, maybe one day I'll look for a civilian job. I'll apply with whatever experience I've obtained from all sources, and I would consider accepting company funded training if someone offers it to me. I highly doubt I would advertise myself as someone needing to be funded to get hired.
Worst case, this guy fails to get a job. Other spin offs, resent gets created towards ex-military pilots. For the most part we're all just people who like to fly...just like all the other helicopter pilots.
In the end, looking at individuals doesn't matter much. Some get the jobs, some don't. If a group starts earning itself a bad name, then other members of that group likely won't be too succesful in finding similiar employment.
I'm in the military now, maybe one day I'll look for a civilian job. I'll apply with whatever experience I've obtained from all sources, and I would consider accepting company funded training if someone offers it to me. I highly doubt I would advertise myself as someone needing to be funded to get hired.
Worst case, this guy fails to get a job. Other spin offs, resent gets created towards ex-military pilots. For the most part we're all just people who like to fly...just like all the other helicopter pilots.
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Well Steve, you created a storm with this one....
However, it is unlikely Northern Hemisphere RW pilots do understand the hardship we all have to go through Down Under. Yes what Steve has said is true about what we have to do to get a job either in Oz or NZ. But it is also a path we have chosen for ourselves, without any pressures from others. So Steve, if this ex Mil chap gets in, well it is a free world, and only his employer will be the one missing out on a better or dedicated pilot in the long run.
Keep your chin up, only you know what you're worth and what we can achieve Down Under with cheer determination and devotion.
However, it is unlikely Northern Hemisphere RW pilots do understand the hardship we all have to go through Down Under. Yes what Steve has said is true about what we have to do to get a job either in Oz or NZ. But it is also a path we have chosen for ourselves, without any pressures from others. So Steve, if this ex Mil chap gets in, well it is a free world, and only his employer will be the one missing out on a better or dedicated pilot in the long run.Keep your chin up, only you know what you're worth and what we can achieve Down Under with cheer determination and devotion.
"...Missing out on a better or dedicated pilot in the long run..."
Hang on you lot. How can you even presume to judge this guy by one small advert for help.
I doubt you know his story. He could have left prematurely with 600 hrs for any number of reasons; maybe not even to do with his flying ability.
What I do know personally, is that to earn a British military flying badge, you have to be among the top 1 percentile of your generation. We have the most exacting standards, and if I were an employer, I would be falling over myself to recruit guys like this with twin turbine time.
I'm sorry but the kind of low-level ops we get up to in the UK is a much harder task-master than bashing the circuit in an R-22/44!
Hang on you lot. How can you even presume to judge this guy by one small advert for help.
I doubt you know his story. He could have left prematurely with 600 hrs for any number of reasons; maybe not even to do with his flying ability.
What I do know personally, is that to earn a British military flying badge, you have to be among the top 1 percentile of your generation. We have the most exacting standards, and if I were an employer, I would be falling over myself to recruit guys like this with twin turbine time.
I'm sorry but the kind of low-level ops we get up to in the UK is a much harder task-master than bashing the circuit in an R-22/44!