Operational technicality of joyrides
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Jesus guys!!!!!!!!
Ok you can all stop kicking the poor B**tard now I think he got the message.
FL and all
You might not like the intent of the question and having suffered at the hands of a "NIMBY" I too felt somewhat defensive when I read the post, but like it or not NIMBY's have a role in aviation safety.
We have all read on this forum the battles of concience that fellow aviators have had when faced with knowing that some one or some operator is blatently flouting the reg's, we have all heared of new operations starting up in the local areas who may not have all the right kit in place and yet how many of you will put your hand on your'e heart and say that you have confronted them or quieried it with the regulators,
Not many I bet?
FL
I am sure that in your'e numerous dealings with the CAA that you have developed a healthy respect for them, and whilst they do have a very safety concious regime they have in my experiance on several occasions been weak and toothless on many well known and very dodgy operators, had it not been for the constant and agresive complaints to the CAA from outside sources then these operators would still be in operation and that my learned friend is "NIMBY's" have had a positive contribution to aviation safety.
My grandad (GRHS) had a few words of wisdom and one of those was "be careful that you do not bite the hand that feeds you!"
He also said ( my grandad that is)
"man with hand in pocket feel cocky all day"
Just another point of view
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Ok you can all stop kicking the poor B**tard now I think he got the message.
FL and all
You might not like the intent of the question and having suffered at the hands of a "NIMBY" I too felt somewhat defensive when I read the post, but like it or not NIMBY's have a role in aviation safety.
We have all read on this forum the battles of concience that fellow aviators have had when faced with knowing that some one or some operator is blatently flouting the reg's, we have all heared of new operations starting up in the local areas who may not have all the right kit in place and yet how many of you will put your hand on your'e heart and say that you have confronted them or quieried it with the regulators,
Not many I bet?
FL
I am sure that in your'e numerous dealings with the CAA that you have developed a healthy respect for them, and whilst they do have a very safety concious regime they have in my experiance on several occasions been weak and toothless on many well known and very dodgy operators, had it not been for the constant and agresive complaints to the CAA from outside sources then these operators would still be in operation and that my learned friend is "NIMBY's" have had a positive contribution to aviation safety.
My grandad (GRHS) had a few words of wisdom and one of those was "be careful that you do not bite the hand that feeds you!"
He also said ( my grandad that is)
"man with hand in pocket feel cocky all day"
Just another point of view
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md600 driver / zalt
"has any thought it might even be a wind up ?"
Yes, but I rejected the idea.
"who is fly cumbria ?"
Don't forget many nimbies are actually aviators themselves. "I'm a fixed-wing chap really"They enjoy their own flying, but it's n.i.m.b.y. to anyone else.
"this guy .............. has a small helicopter (Enstrom, I think)"
How many people not involved in helicopters in some way know one make from another?
"From what he says, it seems like a Mi-2"
Really? I wonder what 'he' said that made it seem like a Mi-2?
How many fixed-wing pilots have even heard of an Mi-2, far less be able to say ' that seems like an Mi-2' from a description?
"even I know that you ain't gonna get one of those on an AOC..."
And how many private pilots know what an AOC is, far less have any idea whether it would be permitted on an AOC?
I am also informed by a regular contributor to Rotorheads that the proposal/application FlyCumbria describes is genuine.
And before zalt or anyone suggests these are just idle comments - when I make idle comments I make it clear they are. These are not.
"who is fly cumbria ?"
Someone involved with helicopters, I repeat in some way, who doesn't want the peace of country cottage disturbed by the sound of helicopters.
"has any thought it might even be a wind up ?"
Yes, but I rejected the idea.
"who is fly cumbria ?"
Don't forget many nimbies are actually aviators themselves. "I'm a fixed-wing chap really"They enjoy their own flying, but it's n.i.m.b.y. to anyone else.
"this guy .............. has a small helicopter (Enstrom, I think)"
How many people not involved in helicopters in some way know one make from another?
"From what he says, it seems like a Mi-2"
Really? I wonder what 'he' said that made it seem like a Mi-2?
How many fixed-wing pilots have even heard of an Mi-2, far less be able to say ' that seems like an Mi-2' from a description?
"even I know that you ain't gonna get one of those on an AOC..."
And how many private pilots know what an AOC is, far less have any idea whether it would be permitted on an AOC?
I am also informed by a regular contributor to Rotorheads that the proposal/application FlyCumbria describes is genuine.
And before zalt or anyone suggests these are just idle comments - when I make idle comments I make it clear they are. These are not.
"who is fly cumbria ?"
Someone involved with helicopters, I repeat in some way, who doesn't want the peace of country cottage disturbed by the sound of helicopters.
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flungdung
I think you've missed the point. Everyone's got a right to object to any application that affects them. No problem with him or anyone else objecting because of the noise disturbance. That's all fair enough.
But that's not the "reality" here.
FlyCumbria's thinks more neighbours should have objected, but they didn't. He thinks the parish council should have objected, but they didn't.
The 'reality' is that FlyCumbria won't accept that and now wants to try underhanded ways.
Read again where FlyCumbria says he knows the CAA do turn up unexpectedly at pleasure flying sites and wants to know "are there any avenues for "tipping them off"??
PS
I wonder if FlyCumbria will answer the straight question I asked him.
I think you've missed the point. Everyone's got a right to object to any application that affects them. No problem with him or anyone else objecting because of the noise disturbance. That's all fair enough.
But that's not the "reality" here.
FlyCumbria's thinks more neighbours should have objected, but they didn't. He thinks the parish council should have objected, but they didn't.
The 'reality' is that FlyCumbria won't accept that and now wants to try underhanded ways.
Read again where FlyCumbria says he knows the CAA do turn up unexpectedly at pleasure flying sites and wants to know "are there any avenues for "tipping them off"??
PS
I wonder if FlyCumbria will answer the straight question I asked him.
flungdung asks "Do any of you actually live near a helicopter joy flight operation?"
I don't, but the helipad on my property is available for the use of two schools to use as a confined area approach on their navigation exercises.
I'm in a peaceful, quiet rural area; but apart from the lowing of cattle or the pouring of beer I can think of no better sound than that of a helicopter on approach!
I don't, but the helipad on my property is available for the use of two schools to use as a confined area approach on their navigation exercises.
I'm in a peaceful, quiet rural area; but apart from the lowing of cattle or the pouring of beer I can think of no better sound than that of a helicopter on approach!
It's over a week since his original posting. Either his computer's had a terminal crash, he's forgotten the prune web address or he's retired hurt.
Or he's just too embarrassed to reply.
Or he's just too embarrassed to reply.
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I agree. Curious chap.
I sent FlyCumbria a private message saying I'd had some experience dealing by open and legitimate means with an application by a helicopter owner in our village, that it had been settled satisfactorily, offering to give him the benefit of our experience and inviting him to email me. FlyCumbria didn't even have the courtesy to reply. Looks like FL read him accurately.
I sent FlyCumbria a private message saying I'd had some experience dealing by open and legitimate means with an application by a helicopter owner in our village, that it had been settled satisfactorily, offering to give him the benefit of our experience and inviting him to email me. FlyCumbria didn't even have the courtesy to reply. Looks like FL read him accurately.
