How many Mac users?
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From a friend who has access to stats for a well-used helicopter industry website:-
29.7% Win 2000
28.4% Win 98
14.3% Win XP
12.0% Win NT
7.9% Win ME
5.7% Win 95
1.2% Mac
0.8% other
29.7% Win 2000
28.4% Win 98
14.3% Win XP
12.0% Win NT
7.9% Win ME
5.7% Win 95
1.2% Mac
0.8% other
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Although an avid Mac user, G4 and i-mac running 10.2.3 and using the new mac safari web browser (very fast), I can understand the reluctance of some company's to make mac friendly web sites. Our site (similar business to CASA) gets around 1% of its hits from mac users. If any mac users are having trouble with sites and you're using Explorer try upgrading to 5.2 it eliminated all of the problems viewing our site on the mac.
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Hi!
For all mac users (aviators mac users) there is a nice and growing up site www.iplane.org
Bye
Cx292
For all mac users (aviators mac users) there is a nice and growing up site www.iplane.org
Bye
Cx292
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Yep I'm a Maccerooon ! I have a G4 Ibook - Mac's are superior. Once you've used one, you'll never go back to the pathetic XP. This mac is soooo quick, starts up in seconds and Tiger OS is a dream. All designed for busy people. One day, it'll be a Mac world !
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Shawn,
Is it???!
What does this tell?
Maybe alongside the question of 'what do you use', should be the questions, "What is your level of computer competency", "What are your uses?". The MAC attracts users who want an 'idiot-proof', 'unbugger-upperable' computer.
There is a trade off...
Stability vs User Configureablity
MAC has one, PC the other.
However with competence, it is possible to acheive the same stability and speed as a MAC with a PC...and then you have the best of both worlds!
I am comfortable on both platforms, but much prefer the PC as I can tweak it much more redily than a MAC. Thus making my PC run how I want rather than how Microsoft / Intel want.
I also have much more access to programming tools using the PC. I have no need for graphics / video work. So for me the PC is fine.
I would however, probably reccomend a MAC to my parents...who are not so computer literate!
Yes, I was born to BBC Basic and brought up on DOS2.1!
cl12pv2s
P.S. I am not saying that MAC users are all computer-idiots...!
Interesting to see how the responses are pretty much all in favor of Macs - is this just a rotorhead thing, or perhaps more to do with aviation in general?
What does this tell?
Maybe alongside the question of 'what do you use', should be the questions, "What is your level of computer competency", "What are your uses?". The MAC attracts users who want an 'idiot-proof', 'unbugger-upperable' computer.
There is a trade off...
Stability vs User Configureablity
MAC has one, PC the other.
However with competence, it is possible to acheive the same stability and speed as a MAC with a PC...and then you have the best of both worlds!
I am comfortable on both platforms, but much prefer the PC as I can tweak it much more redily than a MAC. Thus making my PC run how I want rather than how Microsoft / Intel want.
I also have much more access to programming tools using the PC. I have no need for graphics / video work. So for me the PC is fine.
I would however, probably reccomend a MAC to my parents...who are not so computer literate!
Yes, I was born to BBC Basic and brought up on DOS2.1!
cl12pv2s
P.S. I am not saying that MAC users are all computer-idiots...!
Macs here too - Here the Macs NEVER crash...
Don't use Safari, use Firefox 1.5 - No compatibility probs...
Nige321
PS. The stats quoted above mean absolutely nothing as many of the hits will be from Windblows powered webcrawlers and bots etc...
Don't use Safari, use Firefox 1.5 - No compatibility probs...
Nige321
PS. The stats quoted above mean absolutely nothing as many of the hits will be from Windblows powered webcrawlers and bots etc...
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I have a Powerbook G4.
The difference between Mac and PC has a direct analogy to a BMW and a cheap Japanese import car of course you go out into the street an see more Japanese cars, but why would you think this happens?
Go to Amazon.com and see what the hottest selling computers have been this holiday season and you will see that the top 5 computers are Macs!
Check out this article on CNET,
If I had to use a PC I think I would rather skip the whole computer thing!
The difference between Mac and PC has a direct analogy to a BMW and a cheap Japanese import car of course you go out into the street an see more Japanese cars, but why would you think this happens?
Go to Amazon.com and see what the hottest selling computers have been this holiday season and you will see that the top 5 computers are Macs!
Check out this article on CNET,
Are Mac users smarter?
By Ian Fried
Those who surf the Web using a Mac tend to be better educated and make more money than their PC-using counterparts, according to a report from Nielsen/NetRatings.
The study also said Mac users tend to be more Web savvy, with more than half having been online for at least five years. And the Mac faithful are 58 percent more likely than the overall online population to build their own Web page and also slightly more likely to buy goods online, according to the report.
"With above-average household income and education levels, the Mac population presents a very attractive target for marketers, both online and offline," the research group said.
TS Kelly, director and principal analyst at NetRatings, said that his company decided to publish the study after noticing the differences between the demographics of Mac owners compared with overall PC owners. Kelly said Apple Computer is a client, but he said Apple did not commission the study nor was it made aware of the results prior to the report's publication.
Kelly said the greater affluence and education level of those who surf using a Mac is attributable in part to the company's comparatively pricier machines, as well as to their perception as a status symbol and their greater market share among those in the publishing and design industries.
"Any time you lower a price point you always see a broadening of the audience that is probable to buy it," Kelly said.
"Apple customers may be educated, but our customers are smart enough to have chosen Gateway, which offers the best value," said Brad Williams, a spokesman for the PC maker.
Apple has been aggressively targeting PC owners in its latest ad campaign.
Although Apple sales typically represent less than 5 percent of the overall U.S. personal computer market, 8.2 percent of Americans who surf the Web at home do so using a Mac, according to the study. Nearly all the rest of those who go online--89.4 percent--do so using a Windows-based PC.
Nielsen/NetRatings said that 70.2 percent of Mac users online have a college degree, compared with 54.2 percent of all Web surfers. That, combined with their longer surfing histories and their greater willingness to buy products via the Web, makes Mac consumers a prime catch for marketers, Kelly said.
"In many cases that is a market advertisers are looking at when they are promoting new products or upscale products," Kelly said.
A representative for PC maker Dell noted that it doesn't seem to be lacking for customers and that half of those customers buy their PCs over the Web--a sign that Windows users are also adept online.
The study notes that although there are clear benefits to marketing to Mac owners, it can be tough to target them specifically.
Once upon a time, marketers could target personal computer users as a whole to reach a more-educated, higher-income base, however the demographics of those with a personal computer have become more similar to the demographics of the overall population as personal computer penetration has grown. Kelly said advertisers can still reach upscale crowds in other ways, such as targeting those who have a broadband connection.
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By Ian Fried
Those who surf the Web using a Mac tend to be better educated and make more money than their PC-using counterparts, according to a report from Nielsen/NetRatings.
The study also said Mac users tend to be more Web savvy, with more than half having been online for at least five years. And the Mac faithful are 58 percent more likely than the overall online population to build their own Web page and also slightly more likely to buy goods online, according to the report.
"With above-average household income and education levels, the Mac population presents a very attractive target for marketers, both online and offline," the research group said.
TS Kelly, director and principal analyst at NetRatings, said that his company decided to publish the study after noticing the differences between the demographics of Mac owners compared with overall PC owners. Kelly said Apple Computer is a client, but he said Apple did not commission the study nor was it made aware of the results prior to the report's publication.
Kelly said the greater affluence and education level of those who surf using a Mac is attributable in part to the company's comparatively pricier machines, as well as to their perception as a status symbol and their greater market share among those in the publishing and design industries.
"Any time you lower a price point you always see a broadening of the audience that is probable to buy it," Kelly said.
"Apple customers may be educated, but our customers are smart enough to have chosen Gateway, which offers the best value," said Brad Williams, a spokesman for the PC maker.
Apple has been aggressively targeting PC owners in its latest ad campaign.
Although Apple sales typically represent less than 5 percent of the overall U.S. personal computer market, 8.2 percent of Americans who surf the Web at home do so using a Mac, according to the study. Nearly all the rest of those who go online--89.4 percent--do so using a Windows-based PC.
Nielsen/NetRatings said that 70.2 percent of Mac users online have a college degree, compared with 54.2 percent of all Web surfers. That, combined with their longer surfing histories and their greater willingness to buy products via the Web, makes Mac consumers a prime catch for marketers, Kelly said.
"In many cases that is a market advertisers are looking at when they are promoting new products or upscale products," Kelly said.
A representative for PC maker Dell noted that it doesn't seem to be lacking for customers and that half of those customers buy their PCs over the Web--a sign that Windows users are also adept online.
The study notes that although there are clear benefits to marketing to Mac owners, it can be tough to target them specifically.
Once upon a time, marketers could target personal computer users as a whole to reach a more-educated, higher-income base, however the demographics of those with a personal computer have become more similar to the demographics of the overall population as personal computer penetration has grown. Kelly said advertisers can still reach upscale crowds in other ways, such as targeting those who have a broadband connection.
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If I had to use a PC I think I would rather skip the whole computer thing!
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I use an iBook G4. Used to use Windows as well, but since a year I don't do it anymore. The time Windows take to keep it running is just a waste. With Mac never have any problem. Virusses 'how do you mean'
Availabilty of software is just great, apart from the fact there's no flightplanning for it.
So you invest a little bit more, but have a lot more time to use it.
Availabilty of software is just great, apart from the fact there's no flightplanning for it.
So you invest a little bit more, but have a lot more time to use it.
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Got myself an early Xmas present - a G5 iMac 20" with 1.5Gb RAM.
Goes like a rocket, runs Virtual PC as fast as a PC does, so I can easily use those Windoze-only programs.
Still got the G4 Powerbook, but the G3 iMac gets pensioned off.
Goes like a rocket, runs Virtual PC as fast as a PC does, so I can easily use those Windoze-only programs.
Still got the G4 Powerbook, but the G3 iMac gets pensioned off.
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Wow, a thread resurrected from 2003, cool!
Lessee - in the '70's I started with an IBM PC (the original 4.77 MHZ 8086), then went to an Atari 800, then back to a PC (this time the "Turbo" 8088-2), then to an AST 286, upgraded to a 386, then an Apple Mac (the original 128K), then a Commodore Amiga with a 68030 processer (now THAT was ahead of its time), then a 486/66 PC, then a Mac SE upgraded with an '030 processer, then a Powerbook.
By 1995, I had owned five PCs, three Macs, two Amigas and an Atari (and driven a whole bunch more). The Macs were always much more cohesive with the hardware/GUI/OS meld, but still managed to crash with as much regularity as any PC, and when they did, it was next to impossible to find out why. Upgrades? Fuggeddaboutit - if you could do it, it cost an arm and a leg.
I finally got so frustrated by my wife's Powerbook that I bought her a Sony VAIO and spent the time teaching her how to figure out Windows 98. That little VAIO went all over the world without a burp.
Right now, I am using the best computer I've owned yet - an HP Pavilion ZD7000 laptop, 17", 3.2GHZ, 1GB, 7200RPM 60GB drive. I'm not sure it has ever crashed.
Macs are wonderfully designed, beautifully packaged, and a pleasure to use, but in the end you can do more with a WinTel based machine for less money. If I had mondo cash to spend staying up-to-date with Apple hardware and software, I'd splurge, but dollar-for dollar you'll do much better in the PC world.
(And anyone who claims that Virtual PC runs as fast as an actual PC is only running Notepad!
)
Lessee - in the '70's I started with an IBM PC (the original 4.77 MHZ 8086), then went to an Atari 800, then back to a PC (this time the "Turbo" 8088-2), then to an AST 286, upgraded to a 386, then an Apple Mac (the original 128K), then a Commodore Amiga with a 68030 processer (now THAT was ahead of its time), then a 486/66 PC, then a Mac SE upgraded with an '030 processer, then a Powerbook.
By 1995, I had owned five PCs, three Macs, two Amigas and an Atari (and driven a whole bunch more). The Macs were always much more cohesive with the hardware/GUI/OS meld, but still managed to crash with as much regularity as any PC, and when they did, it was next to impossible to find out why. Upgrades? Fuggeddaboutit - if you could do it, it cost an arm and a leg.
I finally got so frustrated by my wife's Powerbook that I bought her a Sony VAIO and spent the time teaching her how to figure out Windows 98. That little VAIO went all over the world without a burp.
Right now, I am using the best computer I've owned yet - an HP Pavilion ZD7000 laptop, 17", 3.2GHZ, 1GB, 7200RPM 60GB drive. I'm not sure it has ever crashed.
Macs are wonderfully designed, beautifully packaged, and a pleasure to use, but in the end you can do more with a WinTel based machine for less money. If I had mondo cash to spend staying up-to-date with Apple hardware and software, I'd splurge, but dollar-for dollar you'll do much better in the PC world.
(And anyone who claims that Virtual PC runs as fast as an actual PC is only running Notepad!
)
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Flingwing207,
Seems like we lost you . . . . . .
and that was as far as we agreed, but then you said . . .
NO SOUP FOR YOU!
But then again what do I know, when you were using Amiga and Atari computers I was still using my Fisher Price Infant entretainment center!
Seems like we lost you . . . . . .
Macs are wonderfully designed, beautifully packaged, and a pleasure to use
in the end you can do more with a WinTel based machine for less money
But then again what do I know, when you were using Amiga and Atari computers I was still using my Fisher Price Infant entretainment center!
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PCs all the way for me I'm afraid. 90% of my PC usage is games, or more specifically flight sims. Plus since I build my own PC kit, Macs just can't come close on price for performance. And (this may be controversial but..) I actually think Windows aint a bad OS these days. (Shame it's taken them 20 years to catch up.)
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There is another logbook program for Mac users, try Climb which can be found at www.2ndSegment.com
