Helicopter flying in Germany.

[northpoint]

Flying in France

Just to update soggyboxers info on France.
You still do need a Helisurface Landing Permit, or Attestation to give it it's correct title, to land off airfield at designated helicopter landing sites in France.

The current permit lasts for 10 years and best of all, IT IS FREE. When was the last time you got a deal like that in aviation? It can indeed take a while for the permit to arrive but generally speaking it is around 6-10 weeks.

For the avoidance of doubt the permit is in the name of the pilot, does not refer to any particular helicopter and covers all regions of continental France.

Permit inspections do take place, I have had mine inspected twice. As everything was in order there were smiles all round but the officials did mention that fines for not having one can range from €3,000 to €30,000 and your helicopter may also be impounded.

[belldriver]

Off site landing in Germany

Hello,

I need to visit a place in germany as it is quite far from any airfields and the place is big enough I would like to land there, does anybody has an idea whats involved in landing a helicopter away from airfields in germany ?

Tried looking at the german CAA website whitout any luck

Belldriver

[JTobias]

Hi

I am not in any way certain, but I believe that you can't do off airfield landings in Germany. (Which is bloody ridiculous, if I am correct)

Joel

[Phil77]

Yes "ridiculous" is the right word!

...and therefore "no" is the right answer in your case.

I mean it is possible, you "just" need the following:
- request permission in writing with the Luftfahrtbundesamt
- holder of a CPL(H)
- need a "commercial" reason
- about 2-4 weeks time to wait for the approval

The above is hearsay, but confirmed with multiple sources - out of interest I tried to find the forms or information/regulation myself to no avail.

[Flying Bull]

Hi Belldriver,

you need the permit of the landowner
and with that you can apply for a "Aussenlandegenehmigung" at the
Landesluftfahrtbehörde, which is responsible for that area.
You find the adresses here:
LBA Links
It may take a while - some allow PPL(H), other require CPL(H) and it will cost some €.....
Some require fotos of the site....

Greetings Flying Bull

[Helicaz]

"there are plenty of small (and cheap) airfields in Germany and you are welcome almost anywhere with a helicopter. Even PPR ones are usually happy for anybody to come in and may even assist you with transportation etc... "

Any recommendations? I haven't really seen much of Germany yet and excuses to go flying are always appreciated!

[hueyracer]

I come from Germany-where do you want to go?
North, East, West.....

What do you want to see-and how long do you want to stay?

[Helicaz]

Never really been East.. Would like to hang around for a couple of days practicing my (very bad) German - interesting scenery to fly around is also a bonus!

[hueyracer]

If you fly to the East, you HAVE to see the former Hangar of Cargolifter, which is now a holiday paradise....

Tropical Islands > Besucher

The beautiful village of Dresden is also worth one or two days....
Landeshauptstadt Dresden - Tourismus

You will find lots of small airfields where you land and park your aircraft very cheap....

[md 600 driver]

Noise certificate on Germany

Landed in Germany late last night the official was asking for a noise certificate for the gazelle anyone know what he wants? Where do we get one from ?
Steve

[gsa]

No Idea but here's a start.

Noise Certificates | Aircraft | Operations and Safety

[RVDT]

If the Type Certificate was issued after 1986 it would have one in the RFM by way of how it complies etc etc. otherwise NA.

Just tell the nice German Official it doesn't have one because of it's age. He will understand.

BGS still thunder around in 212's in Germany.

[mfriskel]

I landed in Hannover in 01 in a 600 and they charged the landing fee based on the number printed in the RFM.

[RVDT]

I landed in Hannover in 01 in a 600 and they charged the landing fee based on the number printed in the RFM

Based on that they might be charging Steve for a truck to take it away!

[Spunk]

In Germany the landing fee is based on your MTOM and your noise level. If you are able to present a noise certificate your landing fee decreases significantly.

The max. allowable noise level is described in ICAO Annex 16 Volume 1 (Chapter VIII for helicopters certified after 1985 and Chapter XI for small helicopters (< MTOM 3175 kg) certified after 1993).

ICAO Annexes in English

If you don't have a noise certificate it might get expensive.

[ericferret]

Doubt saying that the aircraft is pre 86 is going to help. Our Cessna which is 1968 has one issued by the CAA. Simple enough to get, reissued to us as EASA form 45 in 2008.
I actually thought every aircraft had one.

[Chopper Doc]

I don't think many Enstroms have one.

[RVDT]

Doubt saying that the aircraft is pre 86 is going to help

Sorry but it does.

To quote EASA TCDSN data -

This aircraft type conforms with the provisions of Article 6.1 of Regulation 216/2008 without the need to comply with the Standards of ICAO Annex 16, Volume I, by virtue of the date of type certification

As I said before - it's too old, it's too old, it's too old, it's too old, it's too old, it's too old.

Anybody else hear an echo?

Many thanks to the "grandfather" sitting in the "sunset".

[md 600 driver]

The nice German official this morning agreed that when the gazelle was made they didn't have noise certificates I gave him a few of the free sweets I claimed off the hotel counter earlier in the morning and all was well

Now in Poland having fun getting into Ukraine now that's a different story were going to be here a few days it's only 3 hours on sleezey jet

Steve

[Savoia]

Steve

Why don't you fire-up a thread and post images from your trip to and fro Russia so that we can follow you!

Sav