Iranian president's helicopter involved in a hard landing (aka crash)
In this thread, various references have been made to the crashed helicopter (perhaps) being a Bell 205, 212, 214 or 412. More recent posts are consistently referring to it as a Bell 212, but some as an Agusta-Bell 212. ASN are currently indicating it to have been a (Canadian manufactured) Bell 212 with IIAF serial 6-9207 and construction number 35071: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/388106 (though seems from Post #41 that ASN at one point believed it to be a Bell 412).
Helis.com indicates it was originally registered C-GFNL built by Bell Helicopter Canada in 1994 before going to Iran and becoming 6-9207: https://www.helis.com/database/cn/43490/
Airliners.net has an earlier photo of it in camouflage scheme taken by A.Mahgoli in Iran in 2011: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran...Twelve/1909097
If the photograph at https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...nt-2024-05-20/ is indeed of it taking off on its accident flight, you can see what may be another Bell 212 (only main rotors visible) and some type of Mil(?) helicopter still on the ground. Perhaps they were the accompanying pair of helicopters?
Helis.com indicates it was originally registered C-GFNL built by Bell Helicopter Canada in 1994 before going to Iran and becoming 6-9207: https://www.helis.com/database/cn/43490/
Airliners.net has an earlier photo of it in camouflage scheme taken by A.Mahgoli in Iran in 2011: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran...Twelve/1909097
If the photograph at https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...nt-2024-05-20/ is indeed of it taking off on its accident flight, you can see what may be another Bell 212 (only main rotors visible) and some type of Mil(?) helicopter still on the ground. Perhaps they were the accompanying pair of helicopters?
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For those of you who are not professional pilots or otherwise in the industry, the term Hard Landing is used to describe an intentional landing which was too hard. ie. A landing at destination or alternate site.
As nobody intends to land on a steep rocky face in the middle of nowhere, it should be clear that the announcement was a time winning lie.
As nobody intends to land on a steep rocky face in the middle of nowhere, it should be clear that the announcement was a time winning lie.
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Would like to hear heli pilots' opinion on two more potential factors - notwithstanding maintenance and CFIT:
- Load: news reported that 9 people were on board. Doesn't that sound a bit much for this type? Could it limit performance, especially in mountainous terrain? (e.g. no option to climb out of fog etc.)
- Icing: with fog in low temperatures, how quickly could icing become an issue? Any anti-ice/de-icing tech on this type?
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Security protocols?
This was the president of a country involved (to some degree) in local hostilities. So did they employ local GPS jamming? Or fly without RAD-ALT or some other form of ground proximity warning system turned on?
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Not sure what the relevance of rad-alt being off would be? Regardless, it doesn’t help much with rising terrain (apart from indicating your imminent demise)
2 hrs ago YouTube have. Raisi’s crash not accident … shocking new details .
if you find that you will see the fixed wing tail in the picture . Is this coincidence? It is the tail of the Police plane .
if you find that you will see the fixed wing tail in the picture . Is this coincidence? It is the tail of the Police plane .
Somebody asked if the load was a factor or icing in fog.
No to both, 9 on board isn't a factor (I've had 17 plus myself, and two aux tanks, everyone got home). Conditions were not conducive to icing, plus the 212 can carry a pretty good jag of ice and gives lots of warning.
GPS and RadAlt? Apart from the FAA 5G conspiracy on RadAlt, I've never seen them bothered by it. And besides, as others pointed out it wouldn't be a reference instrument getting through a mountain pass. No GPS required, map reading and compass heading is sufficient.
I, and many others on this forum have flown in Iran with Iranian pilots. Some proudly told me they trained at Fort Rucker. They are no different than American or other national pilots that regularly stove serviceable aircraft into a mountain, regardless of how many gizmos on board. All helicopter pilots are brothers, my condolences to them whenever there's a loss. In any country.
No to both, 9 on board isn't a factor (I've had 17 plus myself, and two aux tanks, everyone got home). Conditions were not conducive to icing, plus the 212 can carry a pretty good jag of ice and gives lots of warning.
GPS and RadAlt? Apart from the FAA 5G conspiracy on RadAlt, I've never seen them bothered by it. And besides, as others pointed out it wouldn't be a reference instrument getting through a mountain pass. No GPS required, map reading and compass heading is sufficient.
I, and many others on this forum have flown in Iran with Iranian pilots. Some proudly told me they trained at Fort Rucker. They are no different than American or other national pilots that regularly stove serviceable aircraft into a mountain, regardless of how many gizmos on board. All helicopter pilots are brothers, my condolences to them whenever there's a loss. In any country.
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My understanding is the photos of a fixed wing are completely unrelated to this accident and there's basically a hoax going around that those photos are of this accident. This was almost certainly a single-vehicle crash.
Ohh… wait - it is the Great Satan’s fault after all.
Because no one else in the world builds helicopters…..
Here we go.
The death of President Raisi "will be added to the list of US crimes against Iran," former Iranian FM Mohammad Javad Zarif said.
“One of the main culprits of yesterday’s tragedy is the United States, which ... embargoed the sale of aircraft and aviation parts to Iran and does not allow the people of Iran to enjoy good aviation facilities,” Zarif said. “These will be recorded in the list of US crimes against the Iranian people.”
Yes, put your leaders in a rattling old box in extremely bad weather and blame the US afterwards.
The bastards can enrich uranium for nuclear bombs, and produce kamikaze drones, but can’t produce their own parts for their planes.
Because no one else in the world builds helicopters…..
Here we go.
The death of President Raisi "will be added to the list of US crimes against Iran," former Iranian FM Mohammad Javad Zarif said.
“One of the main culprits of yesterday’s tragedy is the United States, which ... embargoed the sale of aircraft and aviation parts to Iran and does not allow the people of Iran to enjoy good aviation facilities,” Zarif said. “These will be recorded in the list of US crimes against the Iranian people.”
Yes, put your leaders in a rattling old box in extremely bad weather and blame the US afterwards.
The bastards can enrich uranium for nuclear bombs, and produce kamikaze drones, but can’t produce their own parts for their planes.
I assume the crew were under a lot of pressure to complete the flight.
The Iranians will blame everybody but themselves for this accident.
Yes, pilots' self determination system.
What would have happened if they had told this dreadful butcher that they weren't lifting because of fog?
Condolences to the front seat occupants.
What would have happened if they had told this dreadful butcher that they weren't lifting because of fog?
Condolences to the front seat occupants.
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I think they have figured it out: the helicopter was hit by a space laser! 
Fact check: Was Raisi's helicopter hit by a space laser? (msn.com)
The internet never fails to disappoint.
(This post is intended to be light hearted, and not intended to trivialize the loss of the aircraft or crew).
Fact check: Was Raisi's helicopter hit by a space laser? (msn.com)
The internet never fails to disappoint.
Spoiler
(This post is intended to be light hearted, and not intended to trivialize the loss of the aircraft or crew).
This one made me laugh...
Jews Announce They Have Developed Terraforming Machine That Can, Say, Quickly Build A Mountain In Front Of A Flying Helicopter | Babylon Bee
Meanwhile:
Iranian President Asks Manager Of Paradise Where All The Virgins Are And If It'd Be Possible To Turn The Heat Down A Tad
ditto...
Jews Announce They Have Developed Terraforming Machine That Can, Say, Quickly Build A Mountain In Front Of A Flying Helicopter
ISRAEL — In a statement completely unrelated to anything currently in the news, the Jews announced that they have developed a terraforming machine that can, say, quickly build a mountain in front of a flying helicopter.
Meanwhile:
Iranian President Asks Manager Of Paradise Where All The Virgins Are And If It'd Be Possible To Turn The Heat Down A Tad
"I was expecting more virgins…72 of them to be exact," Raisi commented. "And why is Jannah so hot? And who is that scary-looking man with the pointy ears and pitchfork laughing at me? This is supposed to be a garden of pleasure. Who should I talk to about all this?"
(This post is intended to be light hearted, and not intended to trivialize the loss of the aircraft or crew).
This one made me laugh...
Jews Announce They Have Developed Terraforming Machine That Can, Say, Quickly Build A Mountain In Front Of A Flying Helicopter | Babylon Bee
Meanwhile:
Iranian President Asks Manager Of Paradise Where All The Virgins Are And If It'd Be Possible To Turn The Heat Down A Tad
ditto...
Jews Announce They Have Developed Terraforming Machine That Can, Say, Quickly Build A Mountain In Front Of A Flying Helicopter | Babylon Bee
Meanwhile:
Iranian President Asks Manager Of Paradise Where All The Virgins Are And If It'd Be Possible To Turn The Heat Down A Tad
ditto...
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Footage in the news of Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, in the front row of visitors at the funeral of Raisi. All smiles, kisses and hugs.
Never forget, there is no mention in the book regarding the sex/gender/orientation of the 72 virgins...
The truth may come as an unpleasant surprise - who knows?
The truth may come as an unpleasant surprise - who knows?
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