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Old 24th Apr 2024, 16:15
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I would hope A-kit for hoist each plus floats - with B-kit at each location. UHF comms should be plug-n-play if you believe the hype. We’ve been told about the benefit of economies of scale and reducing fleet types so rearcrew seating and any other kit will already be sorted via Shawbury experience. Maybe take a leaf out of what other UK D3 HEMS/AA operators are using. No DAS or ballistic protection and no ‘M’ designation. There’ll be plenty of spare helionix kit as French have spec’d their 160s with Thales I believe.
H145 is a great chopper but please don’t tell me you’d pay more than 8m for one.....
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Old 24th Apr 2024, 17:33
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Originally Posted by JulieAndrews
I would hope A-kit for hoist each plus floats - with B-kit at each location. UHF comms should be plug-n-play if you believe the hype. We’ve been told about the benefit of economies of scale and reducing fleet types so rearcrew seating and any other kit will already be sorted via Shawbury experience. Maybe take a leaf out of what other UK D3 HEMS/AA operators are using. No DAS or ballistic protection and no ‘M’ designation. There’ll be plenty of spare helionix kit as French have spec’d their 160s with Thales I believe.
H145 is a great chopper but please don’t tell me you’d pay more than 8m for one.....
Wait, are you telling me £122m for 6 isn't great value?
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Old 24th Apr 2024, 17:53
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
Wait, are you telling me £122m for 6 isn't great value?
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If I remember correctly they paid just over £35m for 5 135s. I think they paid an additional £15m for 3 or 5 years engineering support from Airbus, obviously that didn't happen and I'm sure they lost some money as the contract had already been signed and Airbus had engineers waiting to go.

How on earth they've agreed on £122m for 6 aircraft and 2 years engineering support is bloody bonkers!
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Old 24th Apr 2024, 18:51
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Originally Posted by JulieAndrews
There’ll be plenty of spare helionix kit as French have spec’d their 160s with Thales I believe.
Helionix is not a Thales product - you will have to dig a bit deeper.
Neither is it an "option". It is part of the "basic" aircraft and the TC for the type and the "integration" is extensive.

As to the "costs" it would seem that AH will be providing civvy maintenance staff and qualified and experienced "blackhanders" like us would need a fair amount of enticement and more than likely a rotational gig to operate in Cyprus or Brunei?
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Old 24th Apr 2024, 19:31
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Originally Posted by RVDT
Helionix is not a Thales product - you will have to dig a bit deeper.
Neither is it an "option". It is part of the "basic" aircraft and the TC for the type and the "integration" is extensive.

As to the "costs" it would seem that AH will be providing civvy maintenance staff and qualified and experienced "blackhanders" like us would need a fair amount of enticement and more than likely a rotational gig to operate in Cyprus or Brunei?
If you re-read, he is suggesting that those 160s were specced with Thales (Top Deck?), so some unused Helionix gear? Can’t vouch either way
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 07:06
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I'll second RVDT here. Helionix is not just the display system on a modern Airbus helicopter. It's part of the Aircraft Management Computers softare that also provides, among other things, AFCS functions and the warning and caution system. Swapping Helionix out is the same as designing and certifying a new helicopter (sub) model.
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 09:27
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I'll second RVDT here. Helionix is not just the display system on a modern Airbus helicopter. It's part of the Aircraft Management Computers softare that also provides, among other things, AFCS functions and the warning and caution system. Swapping Helionix out is the same as designing and certifying a new helicopter (sub) model.
which is exactly what the French have done after finding Helionix not suitable for their role with FlyteX.
i appreciate Helionix is more than just a set of screens, had great pleasure using it when I wanted to fly 150nm in a strict line to a known location with zero threats - apart from my flying ;-)
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 16:56
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Originally Posted by JulieAndrews
which is exactly what the French have done after finding Helionix not suitable for their role with FlyteX.
not at all. It's just more of to be french for french and american free, plus job creation.
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Old 2nd May 2024, 20:46
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H145 and Brunei related so best placed here.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...5m-helicopters

Should make getting into the smaller LPs a bit more comfortable than with the Blackhawks.
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Old 3rd May 2024, 06:34
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Originally Posted by trim it out
H145 and Brunei related so best placed here.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...5m-helicopters

Should make getting into the smaller LPs a bit more comfortable than with the Blackhawks.
Add that to this

https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/p...national-guard

Then it seems the U.K. putting H145 into a region with OEM support for the two governments involved makes sense but you will still get cries of “should have bought Blackhawk” and yes I know there are Blackhawks in the area but they are too big and too expensive for the role involved as it doesn’t need an armed aircraft with a proven battlefield record of being shot at.
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Old 3rd May 2024, 11:52
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That's the kind of thing that is usually defined during a tender process.
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Old 3rd May 2024, 13:59
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“All six helicopters will be introduced into service gradually, starting from the year 2026 to replace the Bolkow BO-105 helicopters, which have been retired from service,”
Kind of indicates that the role isn't actually required!
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