Broward County accident...
This appears to be the aircraft. It also had a littler kit so no baggage compartment to deal with. Fire/smoke seem to be coming from the bottom aft corner of the engine deck. And given the angle of deck this is where any fluids would be gathering at. It also looks like the tailboom failed aft of the mount flange where the structure is mainly carbon layers and nomex core. Something not very fire proof or excessive heat resistant. Hopefully all the data modules survived the post fire and will give a picture of what transpired so quickly.
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Last edited by wrench1; 28th Aug 2023 at 21:17.
Could it be a rotor-brake fire..?
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The Arrius engine had a service bulletin a while back for missing dampers on the power turbine. The dampers stop vibration of the blades in the turbine wheel. In the incident that precipitated the service bulletin, there was an uncontained release of turbine blades (on the ground in that case). That type of engine failure could lead to a fire.
There have also been 2 previous in flight uncontained engine failures on EC135 but both were on P1 variants due to inadvertant entry into manual mode and subsequent overspeeds. That particular failure mode is not possible on the T1.
There have also been 2 previous in flight uncontained engine failures on EC135 but both were on P1 variants due to inadvertant entry into manual mode and subsequent overspeeds. That particular failure mode is not possible on the T1.
Oil fires are a different thing. Fuel you can shut off and stop, oil not so much and it moves slowly and sticks to surfaces.
If you look at the flight track they got it turned around and heading back and the whole flight time was about 3 minutes.
If you look at the flight track they got it turned around and heading back and the whole flight time was about 3 minutes.
Are you serious? What an aggressive comment, further more you seem to have opened you mouth and removed all doubt.
I agree with Bellringers comment, Uncontained fire is land immediately. Assuming he fired his suppression bottles. It’s possible the airport was the only option without endangering 3rd parties but I agree if there’s a place to set it down to do so.
Proximity to the airport can be a killer for any serious emergency. If on fire OEI and close to an airport, landing in a sports field vs a short flight to a runway is going to be very tempting.
Surely it’s a miracle anyone survived not only inflight break up but also on fire with post crash fire. I hope the ones that didn’t were unconscious.
Last edited by SLFMS; 29th Aug 2023 at 00:04.
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Will be interesting to see how much intrusion into the structure the initial impact made, for 2 injured and disoriented parties to exit the aircraft. Landing on the apartments might have absorbed some of the downward energy in a better manner than pancaking Into the concrete.
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Can’t post a picture showing the overhead map of where they crashed. There wasn’t an option of performing an emergency landing without putting life/property at risk. I suspect he knew exactly how bad the fire was and was praying that it would hold up a couple more blocks to the airport. I’m guessing he was 2 miles away at most.
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Proximity to the airport can be a killer for any serious emergency. If on fire OEI and close the an airport landing in a sports field vs a short flight to a runway is going to be very tempting.
Amen. It's really hard to take the decision to land short, damage the aircraft but survive. Sometimes survival is as much as you can hope for, sacrificing the airframe.
Amen. It's really hard to take the decision to land short, damage the aircraft but survive. Sometimes survival is as much as you can hope for, sacrificing the airframe.
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It will be interesting to read the Pilot transcript. Watching the video after the tail boom failed the initial descent seems fairly low and appears he’s keeping the power on.
Once spinning you normally see guys dump the collective.
I think that potentially saved their lives and kept ROD to a survivable amount.
Once spinning you normally see guys dump the collective.
I think that potentially saved their lives and kept ROD to a survivable amount.
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Pic from Sky News site look as if fire is from ‘a particular panel’s’ location on the starboard side, close and accessible to tail boom connection point.
https://news.sky.com/story/two-kille...orida-12949832
Video from ABC News site shows fire to be from that specific area only; the flames also don’t look like fuel to me. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/fire-rescue-helicopter-crashes-florida-2-hospitalized/story?id=102617239
(Just saying what I see without assumption, despite many hours on type)
https://news.sky.com/story/two-kille...orida-12949832
Video from ABC News site shows fire to be from that specific area only; the flames also don’t look like fuel to me. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/fire-rescue-helicopter-crashes-florida-2-hospitalized/story?id=102617239
(Just saying what I see without assumption, despite many hours on type)
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[QUOTE=SilsoeSid;11493222]Pic from Sky News site look as if fire is from a particular panelled location on the starboard side, close to tail boom connection point. (Drivers will know where I mean)
https://news.sky.com/story/two-kille...orida-12949832
Video from ABC News site shows fire to be from that specific area only; the flames don’t look like fuel to me.
It looks to be from the battery compartment or near. aft of the engine compartment...
https://news.sky.com/story/two-kille...orida-12949832
Video from ABC News site shows fire to be from that specific area only; the flames don’t look like fuel to me.
It looks to be from the battery compartment or near. aft of the engine compartment...
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Pretty sure that 135 had no fire bottles installed. I've flown 4 or 5 airframes and all of them had no bottles. Never liked the 135 because of this. They all had the fire PB's but alert/shutoff only. That aircraft spent most of its time out on the swamp looking for drunken sailors. Would have been hard to look back and see that fire glowing in the daytime.
The 135 has a Fire Extinguisher system available as a supplemental kit option (FMS 9.2-9) ... the basic configuration has a Fire Warning system only. It will be interesting to see how this aircraft was configured. Anyone in the know?