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Old 15th Feb 2023, 15:54
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Hmm, 60 hours and still couldn't hover proficiently? They should have conducted her training in a Robby. Don't they know, "If you can fly an R22, you can fly anything"?
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I just found her LI profile. Very clearly a lot more to the story than is public. She was a check and training pilot on NVG in the army, as well as a Chinook captain deployed to Afghanistan, amongst other things.
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Polarizing indeed. Has caused discussion in my workplace (SLF).


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Name is in local media. No secret.
Radio interview with her on ABC Radio on her deployment.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational...b-ep-5/6286910
Worth listening to.

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Thanks for the Thread name change SeniorPilot.

Would it be possible to change to

Westpac Helicopters NSW ordered to reinstate terminated Pilot
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 01:25
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
Sounds like she's admitting she'd have tried harder had she known...
Surely anyone dim enough to imagine that an inability to hover is not perfectly good reason to sack a helicopter is intellectually unsuited to the job in the first place?
It is not realistic to think a professional pilot of this lady's standing and background would fail to apply herself fully simply on the basis she didn't think she might fail. In fact what it appears is being pointed out, somewhat ambiguously, is that she was never informed that anyone judged her performance, possibly erroneously as it turns out, to be sub-standard. In other words, she was not informed she was being considered for termination on (allegedly) performance-based grounds and this is not how the industry works. This makes a lot more sense than what you are suggesting which simply doesn't fit the profile.

The real reason for the spurious claim of performance failures is another topic.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 11:58
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Originally Posted by Hueymeister
It was like trying to hover a semi detached house, looking through the top bathroom window..esp on NVG, behind the armour plate
I thought the problem was stopping it going backwards when Mr Beaufort’s numbers got above 3.
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As one who knows - Hardworking and competent is where I would place her.
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Sounds suspect hey?
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Originally Posted by SLFMS
That’s interesting I can’t read the article but the link works.

It can’t be a good thing for the industry FWA forcing companies to employ pilots that are not considered proficient.
Externally it looks as if there was opportunity for extra training and remedial training
looks like they dind't dot the is and cross the Ts well enough when they decided to chop her...
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Originally Posted by helichris

"Ms Henderson argued she was never warned performance issues could affect her ongoing employment."
when you dismiss on capability grounds part of the process has to be serving proper notice that failure to address the issue will result in consideration of termination of appointment
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Originally Posted by NicolaJayne
when you dismiss on capability grounds part of the process has to be serving proper notice that failure to address the issue will result in consideration of termination of appointment
I think all the evidence suggests it was never about capability. But, yes, you are correct.
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I worked for a company that, if they hired you, you agreed to be on probation for the first 3 months.
During that time you could be “terminated without cause”.
I can only recall it being used once and then with obvious reason…there was something obviously very wrong with that fellow both in flying ability and in personality.
The scene when he was informed that his “services were no longer required” was dramatic…yelling, .cursing, swearing, threats of retribution and vengeance, car leaving the parking lot at high speed in a spray of gravel.
We never heard of him again and at the time the Canadian helicopter industry was a pretty close knit community …if “something of interest” happened in BC …you knew about it in Newfoundland within hours.
Also a lot of contracts with customers allow them to require an immediate change of crew without cause.

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Originally Posted by albatross
I worked for a company that, if they hired you, you agreed to be on probation for the first 3 months.
During that time you could be “terminated without cause”.
I can only recall it being used once and then with obvious reason…there was something obviously very wrong with that fellow both in flying ability and in personality.
The scene when he was informed that his “services were no longer required” was dramatic…yelling, .cursing, swearing, threats of retribution and vengeance, car leaving the parking lot at high speed in a spray of gravel.
We never heard of him again and at the time the Canadian helicopter industry was a pretty close knit community …if “something of interest” happened in BC …you knew about it in Newfoundland within hours.
Also a lot of contracts with customers allow them to require an immediate change of crew without cause.
I’m sure, but have you read the bio on this individual? It’s clear it was not based on professional competency.
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Ms. Hendersons background, bet her instructor was intimidated with that resume.
Mr Shepherd did make inappropriate comments to Ms Henderson during her first training flight, including that he was keeping a ‘paper trail’ for the purposes of her dismissal
Every pilot in the world knows they have a paper trail, every time a dual trip or check flight is undertaken the instructor has to write up what is colloquially known in some circles as a "hate sheet", each element of a flight is graded, one operation so graded "unsatisfactory", "below average", "average", "above average". His "dismissal" statement on her very first flight set the tone, she could have been above average on every element, but he was going to get rid of her no matter what, question is why.. Just my take.
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Old 18th Feb 2023, 04:21
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Resume gets you an interview, interview gets you a conditional hire, then over to training and checking.

No operator will hire anyone they don't expect to achieve competency within the training time allotted.

But it happens 5-10% of the time. A resume does not pass your training or checkride for you. Training hours in Australia are already generous compared to the rest of the world, anyone needing more would be a huge red flag, just let them go, lest you be burdened with some cull pilot that forevermore will require twice the annual training of the rest of your crew.

NVG hover was singled out, but doesn't mean the training staff didn't have other concerns. Though in the evidence presented the training department of this company doesn't appear especially strong or sophisticated.

Maybe an early onset of nyctalopia, but as an operator looking for a new hire, I don't care. I want pilots that can achieve operational competency in minimum training time.

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I'm curious why asking for reinstatement?
I understand if she asks for damages, but she is already working as an EMS pilot, why going back to place where they don't want you?
Unless conditions are wastly different between former and current workplace, I'd rather stay somewhere where I don't have to constantly look over my shoulder.
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I'm also curious as to why she wanted reinstatement? Also, looking deeper into this resume, there doesn't seem to be lots of flying per se? initially , 6 years, but then lots of management / leadership roles, then large breaks from flying before the Westpac position. A lot of these roles would not accumulate lots of hours, and is it me, she doesn't seem to be in any position for very long? Is there more to this? Does anywhere on her resume include flying hours?
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