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Old 13th Apr 2023, 16:04
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The pilot also revealed that the Sea King that he flew - the one now in Ukraine - was also flown in the Falklands by Prince Andrew, then serving as a young naval pilot.
I seem to remember Andrew was a Lynx jockey not a Sea King one - poor standard of reporting by the Beeb. And as for the 'secret base in Southern England' hahahaha
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Old 13th Apr 2023, 17:21
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Andrew was on 820 Squadron I believe, a Sea King unit. A Lynx driver later on at "the secret base in the south of
England". Sorry Crab
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3DCAM - just googled it - you are right Always thought he was Lynx doing his 'exocet decoy' duties
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Whiff of PPE VIP Lane?

Strange how the offer of 3 SeaKings from Drax’s lot was the only ‘offer’ presented to UKR DA. Not long before they’ll end up in the scrapyard with most of the other Western ‘donations’.
Latest rumour is that an 8-figure sum was paid!
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Strange how the offer of 3 SeaKings from Drax’s lot was the only ‘offer’ presented to UKR DA. Not long before they’ll end up in the scrapyard with most of the other Western ‘donations’.
Latest rumour is that an 8-figure sum was paid!
I don't think it was the only offer but the UK MOD were the intermediaries as I understand it.
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As long as that`s in £,s,d,anything else is profiteering from other`s necessity...
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I don't think it was the only offer but the UK MOD were the intermediaries as I understand it.
The only offer presented to the UKR DA in London by HMG and MOD was that for the Sea Kings. It’s clear MOD Press Office is now using the BBC to spin this without asking the real questions that the taxpayer should have answers for, even DE&S are knee deep in this, what’s the word I’m reaching for, that’s right, scandal.

Perhaps somebody needs to ask how much DESA disposed of them and the spares stock for along with what price DE&S paid to buy them back off of HeliOps as FOI was refused? What was the role of Richard Drax in this arrangement for Gladston at HeliOps and did he facilitate a VIP lane with direct access to the 5th Floor, SofS and CDS?
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Old 17th Apr 2023, 08:28
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Good questions DD but I meant he wasn't the only potential provider of Sea Kings.

One of my questions would be how aircraft taken out of service can still be flown on Mil Reg using a lapsed RTS and other documents.

The ones I fly are on G-Reg with a permit to fly.
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Old 17th Apr 2023, 10:16
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Good questions DD but I meant he wasn't the only potential provider of Sea Kings.

One of my questions would be how aircraft taken out of service can still be flown on Mil Reg using a lapsed RTS and other documents.

The ones I fly are on G-Reg with a permit to fly.

Are we talking about Ukrainian mil reg or U.K mil reg.
I can't make it out.
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Originally Posted by ericferret
Are we talking about Ukrainian mil reg or U.K mil reg.
I can't make it out.
I think what Crab is saying is how are the Sea Kings operated by Heliops out of Portland, still being flown on a Military reg?
And on the back of that, who pays for all the fuel supplied to the various visiting aircraft of various Nations that visit said base? Asking for a friend lol.
All answers to me in a plain brown envelope behind the bike sheds please.
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Old 18th Apr 2023, 10:58
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Originally Posted by 3D CAM
I think what Crab is saying is how are the Sea KIngs operated by Heliops out of Portland, still being flown on a Military reg?
And on the back of that, who pays for all the fuel supplied to the various visiting aircraft of various Nations that visit said base? Asking for a friend lol.
All answers to me in a plain brown envelope behind the bike sheds please.
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Nice to finally not be the only one thinking there is a smell of corruption in Portland.
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Old 18th Apr 2023, 12:37
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Perhaps the better question is how many aircraft operating on Civilian Registrations are actually being operated by Government Agencies?

Lots of Sikorsky brand helicopters along with other helicopters and airplanes were flown in Afghanistan and other parts of the World for decades by operators known or suspected of such discrete operations.
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Old 18th Apr 2023, 16:22
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I suspect for the UK the number is very small but I'm sure there are some.
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Old 18th Apr 2023, 17:02
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I suspect for the UK the number is very small but I'm sure there are some.
Nearest I've seen to it was when the army were operating A109's in Alan Mann house colours. The military serial numbers were lemon on a yellow background.
You had to be really close to discern them. Circa 1993?
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Old 18th Apr 2023, 19:25
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That definitely still happens. I'll leave you to guess who might want to do that.
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Originally Posted by ericferret
Nearest I've seen to it was when the army were operating A109's in Alan Mann house colours. The military serial numbers were lemon on a yellow background.
You had to be really close to discern them. Circa 1993?
In some ways they stuck out like a sore thum as the aircraft appeared to carry no registration markings. They invited a closer look.
Should have taken a photo.
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Old 19th Apr 2023, 06:47
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With the advent of social media, spotters are very well organised to do exactly that - I was training pilots on the successor to the 109s a few years ago and wherever I went on Salisbury Plain, someone would jump out with a camera to take photos.
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Old 19th Apr 2023, 10:17
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Here's a low-vis serial on a 109....


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Here's a low-vis serial on a 109....


Not so discrete these days, although quite well masked by the stabiliser and vertical fins in most views.

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Not so discrete these days, although quite well masked by the stabiliser and vertical fins in most views.
yes but the spotters still log them all.​​​​​​​
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