AAC H135M replace Gazelles

[chopper2004]

AAC looking at Airbus Helicopters H135M to replace Gazelle in surveillance role.

https://www.flightglobal.com/helicop...147273.article

cheers

[NutLoose]

So replacing it with a twin, size wise you would have thought the H125M would have been more comparable.

[trim it out]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

So replacing it with a twin, size wise you would have thought the H125M would have been more comparable.

Would have been perfect if we were still using the Squirrel as a trainer

[NutLoose]

Originally Posted by trim it out

Would have been perfect if we were still using the Squirrel as a trainer

That’s way to sensible a plan.

[PPRuNeUser0211]

Originally Posted by chopper2004

AAC looking at Airbus Helicopters H135M to replace Gazelle in surveillance role.

https://www.flightglobal.com/helicop...147273.article

cheers

It's allllmost like a company closely associated with the MOD bought some 135's instead of 145's, realised they made a mistake and then needed to offload some 135's.....

Obviously that's a fairy tale...

[domperry76]

Originally Posted by pba_target

It's allllmost like a company closely associated with the MOD bought some 135's instead of 145's, realised they made a mistake and then needed to offload some 135's.....

Obviously that's a fairy tale...

That seemed to be the suggestion at one point and the extra H145s were acquired that could permit that (in theory),,, Whether MoD still sees that some H135s from Ascent could come across to AAC I don't know - getting any information out of them was hard enough, Lots of sensitivity around the topic.

[FloaterNorthWest]

To add a bit of truth to this thread.

All Juno and Jupiter are owned by the MOD not Ascent. Shawbury and Valley have 29 Juno and 7 Jupiter. After Matcha that number will be the same even if Juno is selected.

Also, Juno is a H135 and not a H135M.

[[email protected]]

I believe there was the suggestion of a deal for MoD to take some 135s so Ascent could have the correct number of 145s that it should have included in the bid. I was told the price they asked was way over the top.

[PPRuNeUser0211]

Originally Posted by FloaterNorthWest

To add a bit of truth to this thread.

All Juno and Jupiter are owned by the MOD not Ascent. Shawbury and Valley have 29 Juno and 7 Jupiter. After Matcha that number will be the same even if Juno is selected.

Also, Juno is a H135 and not a H135M.

This is PPRUNE, we don't want truth, we want outrage! Fair point though.

[FloaterNorthWest]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

I believe there was the suggestion of a deal for MoD to take some 135s so Ascent could have the correct number of 145s that it should have included in the bid. I was told the price they asked was way over the top.

That is wrong.

[melmothtw]

Also, Juno is a H135 and not a H135M.

Haven't been able to read the story on Flight due to the paywall, but from the headline and the standfirst it seems that the Gazelle is being replaced by the H135, not the H135M. Happy to be corrected if the article says otherwise.

If so, it does raise an interesting point as to what the AAC plans to do with it as surely it won't have the same battlefield support role as the Gazelle had, and if not then what is the point of it?

[lowfat]

Originally Posted by melmothtw

Haven't been able to read the story on Flight due to the paywall, but from the headline and the standfirst it seems that the Gazelle is being replaced by the H135, not the H135M. Happy to be corrected if the article says otherwise.

If so, it does raise an interesting point as to what the AAC plans to do with it as surely it won't have the same battlefield support role as the Gazelle had, and if not then what is the point of it?

apache damages the grass of the golf club to much .. and your clubs have to ride on the sponson.

[melmothtw]

Indeed lowfat, which is why the AAC has the Wildcat. Suspect you're probably right though.

[[email protected]]

That is wrong.

Which part? They certainly didn't have enough 145s to start with.

[FloaterNorthWest]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

Which part? They certainly didn't have enough 145s to start with.

According to who? The contract? The statement of requirement? Or someone’s opinion?

[melmothtw]

Originally Posted by FloaterNorthWest

According to who? The contract? The statement of requirement? Or someone’s opinion?

According to the fact they had to acquire more, I'm guessing.

[FloaterNorthWest]

Originally Posted by melmothtw

According to the fact they had to acquire more, I'm guessing.

Assuming that they got more for the initial contract and not for a new requirement after the contract had started.

[[email protected]]

As I understand it, they thought they could do more of the rearcrew training on the 135 which turned out to be incorrect.

[trim it out]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

As I understand it, they thought they could do more of the rearcrew training on the 135 which turned out to be incorrect.

Are "they" the same people that designed the bespoke MPS which has been ditched after a few years for a commercial product already used by the FL?

[minigundiplomat]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

As I understand it, they thought they could do more of the rearcrew training on the 135 which turned out to be incorrect.

Your post suggests rear crew training was part of the initial TNA, and a factor in the platform selection. I’m not sure I share your benevolence…..