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Old 27th Sep 2022, 20:45
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NPAS plans to move from DSA

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No mention of where the planes are going. Wonder if they can move the new hangar?

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It is unlikely to be that quick and NPAS do have a big empty hangar at North Weald that is nearly identical barring a AvGas bowser. It would be daylight only but it would be an option while they consider moving the Doncaster hangar.

problem there is that no one with the right landing aids really wants them.
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Old 4th Oct 2022, 21:02
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NPAS - DSA - date to leave.

According to local DSA aviators, NPAS along with other DSA operators have been told by Peel that they have to be out by 1430L on the 18th November.

Any news on the new fixed wing base for NPAS?
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Surely the police would have got a lease on the land before building a hangar

if not that’s a huge waste of taxpayers money someone wants taking to task
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I stopped using the word "surely" in matters concerning the Police a long time ago
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The identical hangar at North Weald came with a 25 year lease so it may be similar for DSA. It all depends on what the small print says of course.

North Weald is no good as there are no ILS but it is a potential home to go to while the rights and wrongs are argued about.

2Excel, a far more savvy organisation are in the same boat of course and they need the same facilities as NPAS. They moved their governmental air support operation into DSA in 2017, the same time as NPAS [sort of] moved in and completed their facility.
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A strangely final sounding post appeared on the Doncaster NPAS Twitter Account yesterday.In recent days the main parties to the development I had contacted were holding off on comment until later in the month. Even if it is useless there is a lot of activity going on in the background between the politicians and, I thought, all interested residents of the hangars.

Even as everyone else was apparently doing their best on October 6 NPAS tweeted a video clip of G-POLV UKP155 and a very final sounding “the last time she will depart DSA”. She has now been turned over to maintenance support of Gama Aviation and “they will be looking after her until a new operating base is identified. We also say goodbye to three of our staff and contractors who have supported the operation at Donny.”

Perhaps that November date is hard and fast after all? But it does seem an early white flag,


Apparently in time with the announcement about G-POLV and some staff "leaving forever" that aircraft flew DSA to North Weald yesterday. It would therefore seem that all fixed wing operations will shortly become daylight only from North Weald until something permanent is created (post November). I understand that Teesside are interested and they ran the NEASU fixed wing from there. That was effectively a 24/7 operation.

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Fixed wing ops.

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A strangely final sounding post appeared on the Doncaster NPAS Twitter Account yesterday.In recent days the main parties to the development I had contacted were holding off on comment until later in the month. Even if it is useless there is a lot of activity going on in the background between the politicians and, I thought, all interested residents of the hangars.

Even as everyone else was apparently doing their best on October 6 NPAS tweeted a video clip of G-POLV UKP155 and a very final sounding “the last time she will depart DSA”. She has now been turned over to maintenance support of Gama Aviation and “they will be looking after her until a new operating base is identified. We also say goodbye to three of our staff and contractors who have supported the operation at Donny.”

Perhaps that November date is hard and fast after all? But it does seem an early white flag,


Apparently in time with the announcement about G-POLV and some staff "leaving forever" that aircraft flew DSA to North Weald yesterday. It would therefore seem that all fixed wing operations will shortly become daylight only from North Weald until something permanent is created (post November). I understand that Teesside are interested and they ran the NEASU fixed wing from there. That was effectively a 24/7 operation.
How about Elvington if the P68's don't need an ILS? They might bump into the Hamster off Top Gear

Will GAMA be moving with the fixed wings, or travelling to when they are needed?

Will be interesting to see if a tender is advertised for the new base, and will a tender be offered to remove of the current DSA hangar?
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My understanding is that NPAS had secured a long lease at Doncaster. Mind you, it took them so long to get airworthy that a fair amount of it was spent even before they first operated any aircraft from there…….
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Cabby, my understanding is that they need airport standard landing aids and traffic control in the dark. There are no other 24/7 options that will accept a tiny P68 mixing it with the big boys. Both the Dutch and the Belgian police proved that big airports are fraught for light police aircraft (albeit Cessna singles) when operating from Amsterdam and Brussels.

Last chance saloon may be somewhere not too major like Teesside.

It seems Gama engineers are moving to North Weald because the hangar there is the same size as the DSA hangar.
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Cabby, my understanding is that they need airport standard landing aids and traffic control in the dark. There are no other 24/7 options that will accept a tiny P68 mixing it with the big boys. Both the Dutch and the Belgian police proved that big airports are fraught for light police aircraft (albeit Cessna singles) when operating from Amsterdam and Brussels.

Last chance saloon may be somewhere not too major like Teesside.

It seems Gama engineers are moving to North Weald because the hangar there is the same size as the DSA hangar.
Thanks PAN, I looked up Teesside Airports current status, and noted the Tees Valley Mayor bought it off Peel for £40m, but the press say its losing £10m a year.

Part of the airport land has been given to a private company who had previous links with Manston airfield. Not sure how thats happened?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teessi...tional_Airport

Teesside looks a quiet place, so the P68's shouldn't affect any commercial traffic, but how long will it be open for, with it being a money pit?

Can a small regional airport survive in between Leeds and Newcastle airports when its costing the tax payer £10,000,000 every year!

May not be the best place for NPAS to build another expensive hangar.
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May not be the best place for NPAS to build another expensive hangar.
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Maybe it is time to have a separate servicing base and operate individual fixed wing craft from ‘possibly capable’ locations that are already NPAS bases; such as Birmingham, Bournemouth, Exeter, Newcastle, North Weald, St. Athan, or Redhill. I would imagine any future recruitments would be attractive with more nationally spread locations

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Seems I have been misled by technology.

The Flight Tracker [FlightRadar24] shows text that the P68 last flew from DSA to North Weald on 6/10 but the track map on the same app relating to the same flight also shows that flight to have been from Doncaster to Hurn where Gama have their main maintenance base.

The result is the same, one NPAS permanently out of DSA, but the detail about North Weald is now suspect.
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Cleveland now has 29 drone pilots.

Cleveland Police PPC Steve Turner said he is a big fan of drones. The force now has 29 drone pilots.

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...eland-25205095

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[QUOTE=PANews;11309710]Cabby, my understanding is that they need airport standard landing aids and traffic control in the dark. There are no other 24/7 options that will accept a tiny P68 mixing it with the big boys. Both the Dutch and the Belgian police proved that big airports are fraught for light police aircraft (albeit Cessna singles) when operating from Amsterdam and Brussels.

Last chance saloon may be somewhere not too major like Teesside.

The coastguard operate 24/7 from Humberside which is not too far away.
You would think they could have a similar arrangement for the P68.
Diversion fuel for bad weather to one of the airports with full aids.
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Retford/Gamston is only a few minutes from DSA and has runway lighting. Shame they’ve recently closed the relevant runway.
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Not truly a Rotorheads or NPAS matter as it relates to a foreign power and coast guard and air ambulances.

This morning the French announced that they are updating their emergency services communications system. If you will their replacement for their Airwave.The consortium led by Airbus and Capgemini was selected by the French Ministry of the Interior and Overseas territories for the role of Package 2 integrator for the Réseau Radio du Futur (RRF – radio network of the future), the secure and resilient broadband network for domestic security and emergency rescue forces. This pioneer project, led by France, is key to modernising domestic security forces.
The Réseau Radio du Futur will be a national, secure and high-speed (4G and 5G) priority mobile communication system, with a high level of resilience in order to guarantee the continuum of security and emergency rescue missions on a daily basis, including in the event of a crisis or major event. RRF intends to equip up to 400,000 users in the security and emergency rescue forces, such as the national gendarmerie, the national police force, firefighters and other civil security forces.
It will allow these users to benefit from many new data-centred services, such as video, in particular.


With the notification of the RRF construction contract to the selected manufacturers, the Ministry of the Interior began construction of the future network in September. The construction and then the tests of a first version of the RRF will extend over a period of 19 months. , making it possible to secure the technical robustness of the solution and its appropriation by future users. From 2024, the RRF will become the backbone of operational communications for security, emergency services and crisis management actors.

The race is on! A mere four years (barring problems I guess).

If they manage it, that will be four years before the UK ESN is in place (latest guess 2028) and of course ESN was supposed in place in 2017, five years ago.

I guess we can see blame being levelled at Truss and a long line of Home Secretary’s but I think it may be a bit closer to the coal face than that……
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Originally Posted by PANews View Post
Cabby, my understanding is that they need airport standard landing aids and traffic control in the dark. There are no other 24/7 options that will accept a tiny P68 mixing it with the big boys. Both the Dutch and the Belgian police proved that big airports are fraught for light police aircraft (albeit Cessna singles) when operating from Amsterdam and Brussels.
We managed fine at Manchester with our Islander.
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Retford/Gamston is only a few minutes from DSA and has runway lighting. Shame they’ve recently closed the relevant runway.
I think you may find that they have even more recently re-opened it.😊
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