The Queen, Prince William and helicopters...
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The Queen, Prince William and helicopters...
I've seen this story pop up on various news outlets during the week, local and national...
Norfolk live for instance...
Norfolk live for instance...
Prince William has been urged by the Queen not to fly helicopters with Kate Middleton and their children, as she's "terrified" an accident could happen and threaten the line of succession.
An unwritten rule already prevents senior royals from flying together just in case disaster strikes, however the protocol was relaxed as Prince William's family grew bigger and they began to split their time between London and Norfolk.
The frequent flights have left Her Majesty in fear of disaster striking while William and his son George are both in the air.
But a source close to the Queen said she is "terrified" something could go wrong and has now spoken to William about her worries, reports the Sun.
The Queen's concerns come after two near-misses in one royal helicopter have led to a major probe being launched.
A source close to the Queen claimed: "Her Majesty has told close friends and courtiers that she would like William to stop flying himself, particularly in bad weather, as helicopters are not the safest form of transport.
"It keeps the Queen awake at night and she is understandably very worried.
"She knows William is a capable pilot but does not think it is worth the risk for all five of them to carry on flying together and can’t imagine what would happen. It would spark a constitutional crisis."
An unwritten rule already prevents senior royals from flying together just in case disaster strikes, however the protocol was relaxed as Prince William's family grew bigger and they began to split their time between London and Norfolk.
The frequent flights have left Her Majesty in fear of disaster striking while William and his son George are both in the air.
But a source close to the Queen said she is "terrified" something could go wrong and has now spoken to William about her worries, reports the Sun.
The Queen's concerns come after two near-misses in one royal helicopter have led to a major probe being launched.
A source close to the Queen claimed: "Her Majesty has told close friends and courtiers that she would like William to stop flying himself, particularly in bad weather, as helicopters are not the safest form of transport.
"It keeps the Queen awake at night and she is understandably very worried.
"She knows William is a capable pilot but does not think it is worth the risk for all five of them to carry on flying together and can’t imagine what would happen. It would spark a constitutional crisis."
When it was disclosed last week that the Queen was having 'sleepless nights' over Prince William flying his wife and their children around in a helicopter, there was bemusement as to why she had become so worried.
Now, however, a source close to the monarch has revealed the secret reason for her fear: she's still haunted by a helicopter accident that killed the Captain of the Queen's Flight and three others.
'It put her off completely,' the source tells me. 'That's why she's so worried about William and his family.'
The source says the Queen, who is at Windsor Castle, will be 'having words' with the Duke of Cambridge when he returns from Norfolk, where he's spending Christmas with Catherine and their three children.
The Queen was having 'sleepless nights' over Prince William flying his wife and their children around in a helicopter
The Queen is reportedly still haunted by a helicopter accident that killed the Captain of the Queen's Flight and three others
It was in December 1967 that the Captain of the Queen's Flight, Air Commodore John Blount, was killed when he was flying in a Westland Whirlwind that crashed near Newbury, Berkshire.
Three other members of the Flight were killed.
An inquest blamed metal fatigue in the gearbox. No royal was on board but Prince Philip had recently been flying the same aircraft. The Queen was so upset that she refused to contemplate rotary air travel altogether.
As a result, she did not set foot in a helicopter until, finally, she had no choice.
During her 1977 Silver Jubilee, as my colleague Robert Hardman revealed in his book Our Queen, she was determined to visit all parts of her kingdom.
Her ministers told her that if she wanted to visit Northern Ireland, the only safe way was in a chopper. She obliged, but with a heavy heart.
And to this day, she dislikes them, especially in winter, and will not board one after dark.
Blount was from a distinguished RAF family.
But by the time his relation, James, was choosing a career, he opted for the Army, prior to a career in pop music — when he dropped the 'o' from the family name.
Now, however, a source close to the monarch has revealed the secret reason for her fear: she's still haunted by a helicopter accident that killed the Captain of the Queen's Flight and three others.
'It put her off completely,' the source tells me. 'That's why she's so worried about William and his family.'
The source says the Queen, who is at Windsor Castle, will be 'having words' with the Duke of Cambridge when he returns from Norfolk, where he's spending Christmas with Catherine and their three children.
The Queen was having 'sleepless nights' over Prince William flying his wife and their children around in a helicopter
The Queen is reportedly still haunted by a helicopter accident that killed the Captain of the Queen's Flight and three others
It was in December 1967 that the Captain of the Queen's Flight, Air Commodore John Blount, was killed when he was flying in a Westland Whirlwind that crashed near Newbury, Berkshire.
Three other members of the Flight were killed.
An inquest blamed metal fatigue in the gearbox. No royal was on board but Prince Philip had recently been flying the same aircraft. The Queen was so upset that she refused to contemplate rotary air travel altogether.
As a result, she did not set foot in a helicopter until, finally, she had no choice.
During her 1977 Silver Jubilee, as my colleague Robert Hardman revealed in his book Our Queen, she was determined to visit all parts of her kingdom.
Her ministers told her that if she wanted to visit Northern Ireland, the only safe way was in a chopper. She obliged, but with a heavy heart.
And to this day, she dislikes them, especially in winter, and will not board one after dark.
Blount was from a distinguished RAF family.
But by the time his relation, James, was choosing a career, he opted for the Army, prior to a career in pop music — when he dropped the 'o' from the family name.
Vortexringshark - never assume is a lesson well learned in aviation. The pilot was Squadron Leader Jack Liversidge, a highly experienced pilot with a DFC, earned in the Malaya campaign, and an AFC to his name. For completeness the navigator was Flight Lieutenant R Fisher and passengers were Air Commodore Blount and Squadron Leader M W Hermon.
Even if the Air Commodore had been flying there's not much you can do when the main rotor hub and blades decide to depart the aircraft.
Even if the Air Commodore had been flying there's not much you can do when the main rotor hub and blades decide to depart the aircraft.
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When I did VC10 Royals in the RAF if memory serves me correctly the heir and next in line we’re forbidden from flying together, I was surprised when I saw William and his family getting off an aircraft together.
That would prevent Chuck and William from flying together.
I wonder if the Whirlwind accident was what prompted the rules about Royals flying in Mil helicopters - the Royal Flight ones ISTR could not have any components that were past 50% of their expected life and the same rules were applied to our Wessex in Cyprus when we flew Princess Anne back in the 80's.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
I wonder if the Whirlwind accident was what prompted the rules about Royals flying in Mil helicopters - the Royal Flight ones ISTR could not have any components that were past 50% of their expected life and the same rules were applied to our Wessex in Cyprus when we flew Princess Anne back in the 80's.
if you remember the Andovers with the highly polished undersides on Queens flight, they found they had polished so much metal away it needed reskinning work and then was painted light grey underneath.
Not just Charles and William, but William and his son too BellRinger.
Re the Whirlwind wasn’t it cracking of the “Jesus nut” I seem to remember it was a known problem and there was a NDT procedure in place but tragically the time it took to appear to total failure was less than the time between inspections.
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could not have any components that were past 50% of their expected life and the same rules were applied to our Wessex in Cyprus when we flew Princess Anne back in the 80's.
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I think it was just a military thing, I remember a few flights were done by BA and I couldn’t see them going to these extremes.
“Blount was from a distinguished RAF family.
But by the time his relation, James, was choosing a career, he opted for the Army, prior to a career in pop music — when he dropped the 'o' from the family name.”
And his dad was Army Air Corps.
But by the time his relation, James, was choosing a career, he opted for the Army, prior to a career in pop music — when he dropped the 'o' from the family name.”
And his dad was Army Air Corps.
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Vortexringshark - never assume is a lesson well learned in aviation. The pilot was Squadron Leader Jack Liversidge, a highly experienced pilot with a DFC, earned in the Malaya campaign, and an AFC to his name. For completeness the navigator was Flight Lieutenant R Fisher and passengers were Air Commodore Blount and Squadron Leader M W Hermon.
Even if the Air Commodore had been flying there's not much you can do when the main rotor hub and blades decide to depart the aircraft.
Even if the Air Commodore had been flying there's not much you can do when the main rotor hub and blades decide to depart the aircraft.
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I was on search and rescue Whirlwinds at Leuchars at the time of the accident, we were told that the reason for the main shaft breaking was that Westlands had altered the grinding process of the shafts during manufacture.
The Whirlwinds were grounded, and two SRT Wessex arrived from Odiham to fill in. Much to the relief of the Lightning pilots flying the North Sea.
The Whirlwinds were grounded, and two SRT Wessex arrived from Odiham to fill in. Much to the relief of the Lightning pilots flying the North Sea.
I think it must be military rules then - perhaps because of how the aircraft are used?
I have flown Anne and Charles in Wessex and Lynx respectively and limitations on component life were applied.
However, flying with William on SAR, no extra rules applied.
I have flown Anne and Charles in Wessex and Lynx respectively and limitations on component life were applied.
However, flying with William on SAR, no extra rules applied.
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(Earlier QUOTE) ..... Prince William has been urged by the Queen not to fly helicopters with Kate Middleton and their children, as she's "terrified" an accident could happen and threaten the line of succession.
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The Queen's position is understandable .
I went through something similar when I started my basic helicopter training . My dear sister knew a couple of people who had died in helicopter crashes and thought I was entering a very dangerous occupation.
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(Earlier QUOTE) ..... Prince William has been urged by the Queen not to fly helicopters with Kate Middleton and their children, as she's "terrified" an accident could happen and threaten the line of succession.
_____________________________________________________
The Queen's position is understandable .
I went through something similar when I started my basic helicopter training . My dear sister knew a couple of people who had died in helicopter crashes and thought I was entering a very dangerous occupation.
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Back in the days when we were allowed families days in the RAF and were able to take wives and children flying in the back of helicopters, the same rules applied in that you couldn't fly the aircraft your family were in so I understand where HMTQ is coming from regarding Wills, Kate and the kids.
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Back in the days when we were allowed families days in the RAF and were able to take wives and children flying in the back of helicopters, the same rules applied in that you couldn't fly the aircraft your family were in so I understand where HMTQ is coming from regarding Wills, Kate and the kids.
Family flying still happens Crab (although probably not in the last two years due to Covid), it's not all doom and gloom
It's the sort of thing I could imagine being seen as too risky nowadays.
Interested to read this - when we flew HRH The Princess Royal on her annual visits to the Northern Lights lighthouses (3-4 days, flying off the NLV Pharos) we just used the standard Bond Air Services Bo105. I'm 95% sure no airframe component life issues were raised beforehand - sourcing suitable parts may well have proved impossible.
However, I think a bit more attention was paid to his (EAAA) helicopters’ performance stats…