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Old 1st Sep 2021, 03:42
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Captured Chinooks in Afghanistan

Recent media photos show captured CH-47s (Boeing 234s?) in non-military colours. Are they civilian owned and operated or military owned and operated or a mix of both?
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...stan-3dbzhflgk
if this is the image your referring to its not a Chinook it's a CH46 Sea Knight. Not seeing any markings and it may have belonged to the Afghanistan Air Force?
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They are Phrogs are were operated by Embassy Air aka Dept of State Air Wing.
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Looks like a Vertol?
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...in-afghanistan


The U.S. State Department has confirmed that seven CH-46E Sea Knight helicopters, also colloquially known as "Phrogs," belonging to its Air Wing have been rendered inoperable and abandoned in Afghanistan as part of the ongoing evacuation effort. This non-combatant evacuation operation, or NEO, could very well be the last major mission ever for any Sea Knight belonging to the U.S. government, with the State Department already in the process of divesting its entire fleet.
In addition, the Pentagon says that this NEO could be the second largest in American military history, the other being the evacuation of Americans and others from South Vietnam in 1975. As The War Zonehas already reported, there is evidence that at least one of the State Department's now-abandoned Sea Knights in Afghanistan, which it originally obtained second-hand from the U.S. Marine Corps, took part in both operations.

US ARMYA US State Department CH-46E Sea Knight with US civil registration code N38TU. There is evidence that points to the possibility that this helicopter, then in service with the US Marine Corps, took part in Operation Frequent Wind, the evacuation of Americans and others from South Vietnam in 1975, and then also helped get people from the US Embassy in Kabul to nearby Hamird Karzai International Airport on Aug. 15, 2021.
"The Department left seven CH-46 helicopters behind in Afghanistan which were rendered inoperable," a State Department official, speaking on background, told The War Zone. "These helicopters were already being phased out of the Departmentís inventory and were slated for eventual destruction due to age and supportability issues."
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Reefrat - Phrog is a Vertol
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The Iranians will probably get them and have them rebuilt in a few months. They have extensive capabilities in keeping aircraft from the1970s in serviceable flying condition. I would expect to see most, if not all of the former Afghan Airforce back in the air in IRIAF colors.
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
The Iranians will probably get them and have them rebuilt in a few months. They have extensive capabilities in keeping aircraft from the1970s in serviceable flying condition. I would expect to see most, if not all of the former Afghan Airforce back in the air in IRIAF colors.
IIAF donít need them tbh with what they have in their inventory Ö.

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"captured"?

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I bet Columbia wishes it could get its hands on them.
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Once the Airworthiness Review Certificates are expired, the h/c are worthless for the Taliban, anyway
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Why have these and the rest of the Afghan Air Force aircraft not been torched? Even if they are rendered 'unflyable' they've presented the Taliban with a vast amount of valuable spares and parts to swamp the world markets with, quite apart from the propaganda points they score by parading this vastly. And if the vast stores of spares remain intact what's to stop Iran od otheres offering support to fix them up again?
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo View Post
Why have these and the rest of the Afghan Air Force aircraft not been torched? Even if they are rendered 'unflyable' they've presented the Taliban with a vast amount of valuable spares and parts to swamp the world markets with, quite apart from the propaganda points they score by parading this vastly. And if the vast stores of spares remain intact what's to stop Iran od otheres offering support to fix them up again?
Big chunk of the air force and pilots flew to Uzbekistan apparently
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/uzb...ay-11630315800

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"rendered inoperable"
How? Painting over the registration markings? Taking the doors and windows off? Took the keys?
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Once the Airworthiness Review Certificates are expired, the h/c are worthless for the Taliban, anyway
And you recon the Taliban are going to recognise anything to do with airworthiness of the aircraft?
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And you recon the Taliban are going to recognise anything to do with airworthiness of the aircraft?
Love it when sarcasm is totally missed
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Originally Posted by JimEli View Post
"rendered inoperable"
How? Painting over the registration markings? Taking the doors and windows off? Took the keys?
For the 46's I've seen a shortage of hydraulic fluid will do nicely. On a 46 you know it is out of hydraulic fluid when it stops dripping on your head.
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Love it when sarcasm is totally missed
Sarcasm missed? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion 🤡
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Originally Posted by JimEli View Post
"rendered inoperable"
How? Painting over the registration markings? Taking the doors and windows off? Took the keys?
Easy as. Remove the dizzy cap. LOL.
Spose they cut the looms & removed the guts of the avionics. Oh and the wipers of course!
What an incredible loss of coin.
When the US military turned OFF the mains and sneaked out of Bagram Airfield in the middle of the night in early July without notifying their Afghan partners the local looters quickly followed.
The hundreds of abandoned armoured vehicles were a bit hard to sneak off with I'm guessing. And the keys were taken by the thoughtful departing troops.
https://apnews.com/article/bagram-af...251aaaa167e623

On the other hand it was nice of Uncle Joe to ensure the Taliban were gifted a fully working Kabul airport infrastructure at midnight on August 30.

PS. I'm just an old Aussie boomer, no skin in the game.

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