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Old 29th Jul 2021, 22:30
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For those attending APSCON 2021 in New Orleans




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Old 30th Jul 2021, 04:19
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Would the NYPD be allowed to buy a Chinese helicopter like the H175?
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 05:46
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B429 comparable to H145?!?!
Nooo, not by far. Support perhaps, fast, perhaps, but useful load and cabin… nope.

No competition here.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 09:58
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As it is the same for most of the other civil certified h/c, the problem of the H175 is that it is not designed for police missions from scratch. It was designed for the offshore transport of oil workers, only. Police missions are a totally different world where you e. g. need a lot more of flexibility, hover performance, fast roping capability, anti-icing etc. Of course you could add things, but as conversion / modification this always ends up in a compromise. In best case in a weight increase, only. Take the cabin floor of the H175, it could bear 280 kg/ sqm (evenly distributed) only. For oil & gas that`s sufficient, but as integrated part of the airframe it could not "just" be replaced. The Super Puma floor takes 800 kg/sqm in the standard version and 1600 kg/sqm in the reinforced version, and even there you have dents and distortions after transportation of ballistic shields or other assault equipment.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 13:34
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Originally Posted by JoeCool88 View Post
As it is the same for most of the other civil certified h/c, the problem of the H175 is that it is not designed for police missions from scratch. It was designed for the offshore transport of oil workers, only. Police missions are a totally different world where you e. g. need a lot more of flexibility, hover performance, fast roping capability, anti-icing etc. Of course you could add things, but as conversion / modification this always ends up in a compromise. In best case in a weight increase, only.
I'm not saying the H175 is / will be a good police platform, I'll leave that to people with experience in that field like possibly yourself.
But wonder which helicopter you have in mind that was specifically designed from scratch for police missions, can you please enlighten me?

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Old 31st Jul 2021, 14:45
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Originally Posted by JoeCool88 View Post
As it is the same for most of the other civil certified h/c, the problem of the H175 is that it is not designed for police missions from scratch. It was designed for the offshore transport of oil workers, only. Police missions are a totally different world where you e. g. need a lot more of flexibility, hover performance, fast roping capability, anti-icing etc. Of course you could add things, but as conversion / modification this always ends up in a compromise. In best case in a weight increase, only. Take the cabin floor of the H175, it could bear 280 kg/ sqm (evenly distributed) only. For oil & gas that`s sufficient, but as integrated part of the airframe it could not "just" be replaced. The Super Puma floor takes 800 kg/sqm in the standard version and 1600 kg/sqm in the reinforced version, and even there you have dents and distortions after transportation of ballistic shields or other assault equipment.
What about the HK GFS

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/stor...FSs-H175s.html


They are used for supporting the local SWAT i.e Hong Kong Police Force Special Duties Unit...

Also Royal Thai Police uses the H175 though uspect it more for ferrying the Royal Family.

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Old 31st Jul 2021, 17:40
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Quite correct, unfortunately there is no helicopter designed for police or law enforcement purposes from its start on the market. Reason might be that the big money was made with military h/c and helicopters used for offshore oil & gas. And all manufactures thought that the police niche could be easily served in adding some modifications to one of their existing products. Due to the similarity of the missions between military and law enforcement it's not the newsflash of the day that military h/c are basically better to be transformed into police helicopters than helicopters specially designed for offshore transport tasks, like e.g. the H175 or AW189. The modification effort will be lower by far. But as all of the military h/c are designed i.a.w. military certification specifications, and only some of them fulfill civil certification specifications like CS-27 or CS-29 in parallel, you might have the next problem if the police helicopters of a country are civil certified, only.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 18:01
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Nice video. I was in Hongkong in 2003 iirc and flew with GFS on board of one their Super Pumas, which they operated those days. Hard to say why they have decided for the H175. But by experience I would say that such decisions are influenced by the technical and/or tactical advantages of a product in a range of only 10 to 15 percent. In other words the commercial people and the politicians tell the way, which product will be bought and which one not.
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