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Old 3rd Jul 2023, 05:47
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If the lateral forces from shock loading the transmission were enough to snap off the tail boom then they probably calculated what would be experienced a similar distance forward of the rotor mast where the pilots were sitting.
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The lateral forces are in any direction that aren't rotational or vertical, so the distance doesn't matter. What does matter is how much centrifugal imbalance there is from damage to the rotor blade. The helicopter body is set to orbit in opposition to the offset of the rotor CG. If that offset is 0 there is no shaking.

I doubt the blade itself is strong enough to kick-back over it's length**, but losing 2.6m will lose a lot of the most heavily accelerated mass and that will result in an unbalanced tension load the blade is certainly strong enough to withstand.

**This is in contrast to the kickback of hitting a baseball with a bat far off the "sweet spot" and having the resulting vibration hurt the batter's hands. In that case the bat is very sturdy compared to the squishy hands. The helicopter situation is like spinning while holding two heavy buckets by strings and cutting one of the strings. The person doing the spinning is very likely to fall over.
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I'm reminded of the accident to G-BJVX in the Southern North Sea in the early 2000's where much research was done into the out of balance forces that would have been experienced when a sizeable portion of one of the main blades separated in flight resulting in the separation of the transmission from the fuselage and loss of the aircraft.

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Originally Posted by OvertHawk
I'm reminded of the accident to G-BJVX in the Southern North Sea in the early 2000's where much research was done into the out of balance forces that would have been experienced when a sizeable portion of one of the main blades separated in flight resulting in the separation of the transmission from the fuselage and loss of the aircraft.

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At the time there was a lot of talk that the occupants died instantly from broken necks due to the lateral imbalance, the autopsy report suggested otherwise:
The pathologist concluded that everyone had died from multiple
injuries consistent with a high vertical impact loading with some forward
motion
(Which I already knew, but highlight for others)
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I was also aware of that 212 - I was more highlighting the research carried out into the imbalance of forces that took place when the bladed failed.

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Not imbalance - sudden stoppage.

Page 56 in the report gives an insight?
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Old 5th Jul 2023, 18:37
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Originally Posted by MechEngr
The lateral forces are in any direction that aren't rotational or vertical, so the distance doesn't matter. What does matter is how much centrifugal imbalance there is from damage to the rotor blade. The helicopter body is set to orbit in opposition to the offset of the rotor CG. If that offset is 0 there is no shaking.

I doubt the blade itself is strong enough to kick-back over it's length**, but losing 2.6m will lose a lot of the most heavily accelerated mass and that will result in an unbalanced tension load the blade is certainly strong enough to withstand.

**This is in contrast to the kickback of hitting a baseball with a bat far off the "sweet spot" and having the resulting vibration hurt the batter's hands. In that case the bat is very sturdy compared to the squishy hands. The helicopter situation is like spinning while holding two heavy buckets by strings and cutting one of the strings. The person doing the spinning is very likely to fall over.
Appendix 2, page 48 et seq discusses their methodology in calculating the 'overtorque' caused by blade impact resulting in tail separations and seat failure
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On balance - no pun intended - I doubts this level of investigation would have taken place for a regular AS350 accident
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