UKSAR2G - MCA CivSAR Second Generation
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
Let's hope the training facility actually gets built this time - ISTR one was promised at Inverness for the previous/current contract.
Originally Posted by [email protected]
However - good news for Bristow and all those ex-mil guys and girls who have made UKSAR such a success.
(Like the sleepless pilot I met in Tescos yesterday afternoon.)
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Crab..
I would rather there were less ex- mil guys as they can't seem to fly higher than a 1000 feet on a TRANSIT to a tasking on a GIN CLEAR NIGHT at 2 in the fuc%@ng MORNING flying over villages in a fu*+@ng S92
(As witnessed multiple times looking out of my window backed up by flightradar)
I would rather there were less ex- mil guys as they can't seem to fly higher than a 1000 feet on a TRANSIT to a tasking on a GIN CLEAR NIGHT at 2 in the fuc%@ng MORNING flying over villages in a fu*+@ng S92
(As witnessed multiple times looking out of my window backed up by flightradar)At the same time, some SAR stakeholders may miss Helibus' passenger capacity when it comes to large area searches.
Lowfat.
They maybe going to help someone in need, but a friend of mine works for the police, and while transiting across London at night en-route a job they fly as high as ATC allow to reduce noise? So there is NO excuse for transiting on a gin clear night (or day, for instance on weekends when the family is sitting out in the peaceful garden on a sunny day)!!! for these crews to p@ss off people on the ground?
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They maybe going to help someone in need, but a friend of mine works for the police, and while transiting across London at night en-route a job they fly as high as ATC allow to reduce noise? So there is NO excuse for transiting on a gin clear night (or day, for instance on weekends when the family is sitting out in the peaceful garden on a sunny day)!!! for these crews to p@ss off people on the ground?
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I really don't think they are doing it deliberately Brutal.
If they have just been launched on a SAR shout they will have far more things to think about than whose house they are flying over.
The vital thing is to get to the job ASAP so wasting time climbing to height isn't a priority.
Transiting across London with the very high population density is hardly comparable to flying over rural areas and if an S92 was operating regularly there, then people might have something to complain about.
I have landed at night in several London parks taking critically ill people to hospitals in a SAR Sea King over the years - and generated plenty of noise complaints doing so - sometimes you just have to suck it up or do you complain every time an ambulance goes past your house with blues and twos going?
If they have just been launched on a SAR shout they will have far more things to think about than whose house they are flying over.
The vital thing is to get to the job ASAP so wasting time climbing to height isn't a priority.
Transiting across London with the very high population density is hardly comparable to flying over rural areas and if an S92 was operating regularly there, then people might have something to complain about.
I have landed at night in several London parks taking critically ill people to hospitals in a SAR Sea King over the years - and generated plenty of noise complaints doing so - sometimes you just have to suck it up or do you complain every time an ambulance goes past your house with blues and twos going?
Jeeezz...I am not talking about climbing climbing to flight levels...climbing a little higher will make literally no difference. This isn't about flying over one persons house, it's about having some consideration to the general population. I am well away that they will have things to think about. However, if 4 people can't muster that extra ounce of brain power to think about neighbourly flying, then how do us poor single pilots manage when on Air ambulance shout? You're wrong as well about an S92 flying over London giving people something to complain about. Believe me, they complain about the 145's enough as it is.
Landing/departing at sites, arriving on scene and being low level , doing a recce etc, is part of the job an I don't care if people complain, this is not what I am talking about. Transiting low level to a job, as if you are still in the military is unnecessary and causes the general public to turn against helicopter noise, and that is not good for anyone.
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Landing/departing at sites, arriving on scene and being low level , doing a recce etc, is part of the job an I don't care if people complain, this is not what I am talking about. Transiting low level to a job, as if you are still in the military is unnecessary and causes the general public to turn against helicopter noise, and that is not good for anyone.
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Crab..
I would rather there were less ex- mil guys as they can't seem to fly higher than a 1000 feet on a TRANSIT to a tasking on a GIN CLEAR NIGHT at 2 in the fuc%@ng MORNING flying over villages in a fu*+@ng S92 (As witnessed multiple times looking out of my window backed up by flightradar)
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I would rather there were less ex- mil guys as they can't seem to fly higher than a 1000 feet on a TRANSIT to a tasking on a GIN CLEAR NIGHT at 2 in the fuc%@ng MORNING flying over villages in a fu*+@ng S92
(As witnessed multiple times looking out of my window backed up by flightradar)B.
Anyway, who cares what height the transit at at 02:00 if they are out to save a life? I am sure you were back asleep within minutes, unlike the crew and their casualty.
Is this what you meant to write
You have said climbing a bit won't make any difference???? So what is the problem?
Jeeezz...I am not talking about climbing climbing to flight levels...climbing a little higher will make literally no difference
Sorry Crab, poor grammar...It would make virtually no difference in time to get to the scene. As demonstrated by the crews in MFC Fly's post above. Maybe they were a civvie crew If they can manage it, maybe they can spread the word?
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If they can manage it, maybe they can spread the word?B.
Maybe they were a civvie crew If they can manage it, maybe they can spread the word?
If they can manage it, maybe they can spread the word?
My God, what do they teach nowadays???
On a rescue I could not give a single shred of a t0ss about who I annoy on the ground - it is about saving lives...period.
Really, thanks for the lesson....BI.??
Even with the prevailing southerly wind they still fly northbound at low level...and southbound at low level...in fact, everywhere at low level...
Crab you know what I was implying. I was on about the ex-mil (NOW CIVVIES) having some sort of fear of heights..
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Even with the prevailing southerly wind they still fly northbound at low level...and southbound at low level...in fact, everywhere at low level...
Crab you know what I was implying. I was on about the ex-mil (NOW CIVVIES) having some sort of fear of heights..
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Crab you know what I was implying. I was on about the ex-mil (NOW CIVVIES) having some sort of fear of heights..
I don't think they are being lazy or deliberately flying lower than required, they are following the rules to get the job done effectively - if they make some noise doing it then it is a function of having a very noisy helicopter - I could hear them coming from miles away when I was living in Newquay.
135s and 145s are whisper quiet in comparison.
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Iroquois mythology
- Da-jo-ji, the mighty panther spirit of the west wind.- Ga-oh, spirit of the wind.
- Ne-o-gah, the gentle fawn spirit of the south wind.
- O-yan-do-ne, the moose spirit of the east wind.
- Ya-o-gah, the destructive bear spirit of the north wind who is stopped by Ga-oh.
- S-92A, great big motherf8cker wind spirit
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
they are all civvy crew and they work to the same Ops manual - they won't have been military SAR for 7 years so if there is a message to get through, I'm pretty sure it has by now.
Bristow to purchase 6 x AW139
In a strange almost back-to-the-future, when thee was AW139 bakc in the day, Bristow going to buy six AW139 to join the 9 AW189 for the UK SAR2G ot be delivered between 2023 and 2024
https://www.leonardo.com/en/press-re...scue-programme
cheers
https://www.leonardo.com/en/press-re...scue-programme
cheers
I don't think the 189 has been as great as expected and has almost as bad downwash as the S-92
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the AW189. Although late to the party, it’s been a good aircraft since it’s arrival!
The reintroduction of the AW139 is perhaps realised by the fact that those bases that will receive it perhaps don’t need the legs of the AW189.
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The reintroduction of the AW139 is perhaps realised by the fact that those bases that will receive it perhaps don’t need the legs of the AW189.
LZ